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post #1 of 43 Old 03-20-2012, 01:15 PM - Thread Starter
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Sunfires are terrible bang for the buck, mainly because they are trying to appeal to WAF while still having decent output. If you have space for something bigger you can do much better for the same money.
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A similar and less expensive version can be had at

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/se...&category_id=6

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Costs $250 more then this sub. Sunfire's are over hyped/marketed, and dont meet their performance claims.

edit: I guess Kini62 beat me too it
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What would be the diff between the 2?
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What would be the diff between the 2?

Hamburger versus Steak.
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Explain plz..
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Explain plz..


see my post on your other thread where you asked the same question.

As to the value proposition, the internet direct suppliers, like SVS, cut out at least all the expenses of running a retail store, paying salespeople and janitors, etc., and likely also cut out an intermediate distributor who also has to keep the lights on, pay their people and make a profit. Thus the ID companies typically can really shine on products like subs, in the performance per dollar category.
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So are you saying the SVS is better because of price or just a better sub?
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So are you saying the SVS is better because of price or just a better sub?

It is a better sub all the way around.
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The really good Sunfire subs are in the "True Subwoofer" series, not the HRS series, but the price differential is really steep.

http://www.sunfire.com/productdetail.asp?id=8

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I have a 400 watt 12" Klipsch sub now.. Down firing. Its like 10 yrs old.. Would that SVS blow it out of the water? What about this one?
http://www.svsound.com/index.php?pag...mart&Itemid=90
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I have a 400 watt 12" Klipsch sub now.. Down firing. Its like 10 yrs old.. Would that SVS blow it out of the water? What about this one?
http://www.svsound.com/index.php?pag...mart&Itemid=90

I would say yes but if you give a budget and where you think the current sub is lacking a better response will be given and I believe you said 10 x 20 room in your other thread and its important is this open to another room.
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Completely different tier of performance for the dollar. The SVS would destroy the Klipsch. (and sunfire)
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I'd spend about $7-800.. The room is an L shape,but the open part is a hallway.. I don't think It would effect much. In which way would the SVS destroy it? I'm not looking to blast it. I primarily would use it for movies. I want something that would pound deep at moderate levels..
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There is a comparison where an OP has both and gave a description of it playing lower and having more dynamics not sure what you would enter in search function but try SVS vs Klipsch.
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I want something that would pound deep at moderate levels..

What do you mean by this? Do you want accurate and clean up to whatever volume level your listening levels require? Or something that might be a little boosted in the "excitement" area - - probably 50 to 60 Hzish I suspect. FWIW, folks point to the current Epik subs as midbass monsters. But testing of their legend sub at data-bass.com suggests it's also pretty accurate at lower frequencies and pretty loud at reasonable distortion.

it's always best if you can find third party measurements of a sub's performance, but that's not always possible. My general expectation is that for the same money, an ID sub of similar design from a reputable maker is likely to be flatter (more accurate) and/or have the ability to play louder without undue distortion.

So I kind of expect that the Rythmik F12 has performance (at least within the SPL envelope I care about) very comparable to the Paradigm Studio Sub 12 that is sold in stores, is prettier (to me at least) and costs over twice as much. But I'd love to see third party testing of the F12's linearity and distortion at higher levels.
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At the $7-$800 range- SVS PB or PC12-NSD or HSU VTF3-MK4. In room response below 20hz with either.

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Do you need such a small form factor? For your price range you could get the PB12-NSD, which will give you more output thanks to the larger box and vented design, digs to below 20HZ, and will outgun the SB12-NSD, the Sunfire and your Klipsch by a decent margin.

Another sub to consider, if you could swing the size, is the Hsu VTF3 MKIV. In black, after shipping, it is about the same price as the PB12-NSD, and offers similar performance.

Basically, what kini62 said above.

Both are pretty darn good subs. They both also come from companies with excellent customer service, product reliability, and have good warranties and resale value (which are other items one should consider IMHO).

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Thank you guys.. That's a really good starting point.. Its diff to pick one..lol I might end up with the SVS PB12-NSD. I want the gloss black one. I have new def tech 8060ST's,8060HD center and 8040 surrounds. Wanted a monster sub to match Oh ya,and I have quite a bit of room for a sub. A friend of mine gave me a 15" Jamo sub,but I'm not liking it at all..
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Thank you guys.. That's a really good starting point.. Its diff to pick one..lol I might end up with the SVS PB12-NSD. I want the gloss black one. I have new def tech 8060ST's,8060HD center and 8040 surrounds. Wanted a monster sub to match Oh ya,and I have quite a bit of room for a sub. A friend of mine gave me a 15" Jamo sub,but I'm not liking it at all..

PB12 does not come in gloss, only the SB. If you have room for a monster sub then the HSU VFT3 (which is available in rosewood) should have a slight edge in output, plus it has a neat variable tuning feature.

Or step up to the VTF15

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You simply cannot go wrong with SVS. Pick one up now and, if you need more output, you can add a second or take advantage of SVS's upgrade plan.
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I want the one in gloss black,so it matches the rest of my speakers
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Here ya go it will deliver all you need and then some. http://www.svsound.com/view-all?page...&product_id=12
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Here ya go it will deliver all you need and then some. http://www.svsound.com/view-all?page...&product_id=12

...and only at about 225% of the OP's budget

To summarize, I agree with most of the people who have posted thus far.

If form factor is an issue, go with the SB-12. You can get it in gloss black, it is cheaper than that sunfire, and is a better overall sub. If form factor isn't an issue, step up to the PB-12 NSD or the Hsu VTF-3 MK4. You will get a bit more sub in a little bit bigger package (and pricetag).

I have not heard subs from either Elemental Designs or Epik at these price points, but I've heard very good things about both.
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...and only at about 225% of the OP's budget

To summarize, I agree with most of the people who have posted thus far.

If form factor is an issue, go with the SB-12. You can get it in gloss black, it is cheaper than that sunfire, and is a better overall sub. If form factor isn't an issue, step up to the PB-12 NSD or the Hsu VTF-3 MK4. You will get a bit more sub in a little bit bigger package (and pricetag).

I have not heard subs from either Elemental Designs or Epik at these price points, but I've heard very good things about both.

I threw the budget out the window when it was stated gloss black and I want it to hit hard at moderate levels this way there would be no disappointment more of a case of reality yes it cost a lot to get that chest slam.
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I threw the budget out the window

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Which would you guys go with between the SB 12 or PB 12?
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Which would you guys go with between the SB 12 or PB 12?

Since you said space is not an issue, go with the bigger(PB) sub. Especially since your setup is primarily being used for home theater.

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I'm wondering about the sound difference... Ported vs non ported
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