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My budget is around $1200, but I might be willing to kick that up to $1500. Room dimensions are 12x20' with 8-10' sloped ceilings. The living room also opens up into a hallway that leads to the kitchen. The hallway opening is about 4x10', so it's a large room to fill. I would love to have a dedicated HT room, but my house has limited spaces to set up and both rooms are wide open. I would prefer to go with two subs over one more powerful to even out the response for all listening positions.

I was considering a couple passive eD subs to avoid amp problems and power them with a pro amp. I have an EP2000 lying around being unused. Do you think the eD A5 driver could run free with 750w, or would I have to set a high pass filter? Also considering the Outlaw LFM-1 EX b-stock or if they ever go back on sale.

(2) passive eD A5-350 $1080
(2) Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX B-stock $1178

Other contenders: SVS PB12-NSD & HSU VTF-3 MK4.

Another option would be DIY sonosubs. Cookieattk offered to build me some end caps, but I really don't know much about DIY. Sonosubs seem fairly simple to build ...especially if the wood is precut.
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2 Epik Empires- $1500

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2 Epik Empires- $1500

It doesn't sound like I'm getting much room gain. I'm thinking ported would be best for my application.
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2 Epik Empires- $1500

+ shipping.. But yeah, that is a lot of bass.
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This is easy. A pair of CHT SS18.2P's for $1400 with a Mini-DSP for $125 to EQ the response how ever you like. Your room is not to big for 4 18" sealed woofers.


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2 Epik Empires- $1500

I thought about the Empires... Then I realized I would just want more a couple of months later...

If you are serious about your LFE, don't compromise. If you are willing to do something like a Sonosub then I have to assume WAF isn't a big concern.

1 LMS 5400 Ultra = $925 shipped
LG FP14000 Clone = $726 + Shipping ($200 or so)
Sub Box = $80 (DIY) - $500 (ED Designs - shipped)

Total = $1,931 - $2,351

That's what I recommend based on my research over the years. A bit out of your $1,500 budget, but man... You would not be disappointed.

 

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Take a look at the Chase Home Theater VS18.1. It's a vented 18 inch subwoofer powered and comes in under your budget.
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I thought about the Empires... Then I realized I would just want more a couple of months later...

If you are serious about your LFE, don't compromise. If you are willing to do something like a Sonosub then I have to assume WAF isn't a big concern.

1 LMS 5400 Ultra = $925 shipped
LG FP14000 Clone = $726 + Shipping ($200 or so)
Sub Box = $80 (DIY) - $500 (ED Designs - shipped)

Total = $1,931 - $2,351

That's what I recommend based on my research over the years. A bit out of your $1,500 budget, but man... You would not be disappointed.

Size and aesthetics really isn't a problem. The only WAF is budget. $1500 is already pushing the limits lol.

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This is easy. A pair of CHT SS18.2P's for $1400 with a Mini-DSP for $125 to EQ the response how ever you like. Your room is not to big for 4 18" sealed woofers.

Sounds pretty intense. I'll look into the Chase subs. Much obliged.
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DIY or CHT in your price range it seems...
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DIY or CHT in your price range it seems...

I just looked at CHT, and the craigsub 18" passive is out of stock. Also $290 for shipping on the pair bringing it a little out of my price range.
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It doesn't sound like I'm getting much room gain. I'm thinking ported would be best for my application.

Have you looked at the numbers? I'm thinking you won't need much room gain.

But there seems to be a lot of options in your price range since aesthetics don't come into play.

Good luck and make sure to follow up with your decision and impressions.

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Have you looked at the numbers? I'm thinking you won't need much room gain.

But there seems to be a lot of options in your price range since aesthetics don't come into play.

Good luck and make sure to follow up with your decision and impressions.

I'll definitely keep you guys posted. So far I'm leaning towards dual CraigSUB SS-18.1 for $1045 shipped. Should blow away the Outlaws I was considering.
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This is easy. A pair of CHT SS18.2P's for $1400 with a Mini-DSP for $125 to EQ the response how ever you like. Your room is not to big for 4 18" sealed woofers.

does the mini-dsp go below 20hz?


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+1 for PB12-NSD. I just got one and it's positively brutal in my small room. It should easily be able to handle your room space. Every Bluray I toss at this sub, it eats it up and spits out deep and dynamic bass, I couldn't be happier(unless I got a PB13 Ultra). SVS has got my attention and I will be considering them for future upgrades.

The thing you may end up contemplating is quality over quantity, with the PB12 you get quality, reference grade flat frequency response, top notch build, 5 year warranty. With the ED and Outlaws, you may be able to get higher SPLs by getting more than one unit, but it will come at the expense of the sound quality which may not end up as clean as the PB12.

Either way, I don't think you could lose with any of these companies. But I am glad that I went with the quality choice in my room.
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With the ED and Outlaws, you may be able to get higher SPLs by getting more than one unit, but it will come at the expense of the sound quality which may not end up as clean as the PB12.

This is certainly debatable.
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+1 for PB12-NSD. I just got one and it's positively brutal in my small room. It should easily be able to handle your room space.

His space is much larger than yours.

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I'll definitely keep you guys posted. So far I'm leaning towards dual CraigSUB SS-18.1 for $1045 shipped. Should blow away the Outlaws I was considering.

Agreed, those look good.

Hopefully you aren't the type to have the occasional case of upgraditus though. I was looking at trying to buy two of the discontinued Epik Conquest because I heard such great things about them as well.

The LMS Ultra and FP14K Clone combo I mentioned above are touted by a lot of heavy hitters on this forum. I'll get off my soap box, but PM me if you are interested in more info. Once you read the threads I have been reading my argument may have more substance. It definitely swayed me from the Conquest's.

 

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I'll definitely keep you guys posted. So far I'm leaning towards dual CraigSUB SS-18.1 for $1045 shipped. Should blow away the Outlaws I was considering.

It will blow away the Outlaws. And anything else in the price range for that matter. I'm sure you realize this but don't forget you need an amp. An ep4000 would work, 200 used or 300 new.
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Thanks for all the quick and helpful responses! I've been reading up more on the CHT subs and plan on calling Craig this weekend to discuss his products.

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Agreed, those look good.

Hopefully you aren't the type to have the occasional case of upgraditus though. I was looking at trying to buy two of the discontinued Epik Conquest because I heard such great things about them as well.

The LMS Ultra and FP14K Clone combo I mentioned above are touted by a lot of heavy hitters on this forum. I'll get off my soap box, but PM me if you are interested in more info. Once you read the threads I have been reading my argument may have more substance. It definitely swayed me from the Conquest's.

Sounds like the DIY LMS ultra route is the best bang for your buck, but I'm worried about the performance of one sub in my room. There are odd angles on the ceiling and lots of voids in my room. It feels like I need two powerful subs to fill the room with even bass.

I'm not too worried about upgradeitis. If I ever want an upgrade; there will be some major renovations to accommodate a dedicated, and treated, HT room before throwing more sub at the problem. I just bought the house, so my dream HT room will have to wait a while.

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It will blow away the Outlaws. And anything else in the price range for that matter. I'm sure you realize this but don't forget you need an amp. An ep4000 would work, 200 used or 300 new.

I have an EP2000, but from what I've read it doesn't perform very well with these subs. Might cash it in for something with more power.
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i have to think that the VTF15 would do very well in his home and it really is a nice looking sub. Plus at just over 1018 shipped, you're 1/2 way to duals at 1500 and OMG it would kill as far as bass is concerned.

Dont overlook the Empire. I just got mine and my room is the worst ever as far as being sub-friendly, and the Empire just crushes it in my room. So much so that I cant wait to get another.
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I thought about the Empires... Then I realized I would just want more a couple of months later...

If you are serious about your LFE, don't compromise. If you are willing to do something like a Sonosub then I have to assume WAF isn't a big concern.

1 LMS 5400 Ultra = $925 shipped
LG FP14000 Clone = $726 + Shipping ($200 or so)
Sub Box = $80 (DIY) - $500 (ED Designs - shipped)

Total = $1,931 - $2,351

That's what I recommend based on my research over the years. A bit out of your $1,500 budget, but man... You would not be disappointed.

Since he has an EP2000 already, why not run it bridged for this instead of the clone?

1 LMS 5400 Ultra = $925 shipped
EP2000 Bridged= $0
Sub Box = $80 (DIY) - $500 (ED Designs - shipped)

$1425
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Sounds like the DIY LMS ultra route is the best bang for your buck, but I'm worried about the performance of one sub in my room. There are odd angles on the ceiling and lots of voids in my room. It feels like I need two powerful subs to fill the room with even bass.

I'm going to send you a PM here soon. I'm not any type of authority when it comes to room response and what would work perfectly for your application. I personally like dual subs for a nice symmetrical look, but the output of one of the Ultras would not only please your musical/movie needs, but (not that it really matters) the sub itself is would be one hell of a show piece.

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Since he has an EP2000 already, why not run it bridged for this instead of the clone?

1 LMS 5400 Ultra = $925 shipped
EP2000 Bridged= $0
Sub Box = $80 (DIY) - $500 (ED Designs - shipped)

$1425

Well said. You might be able to do it right at $1K if you build the box yourself and use your own amp. I know your EP2000 would push the LMS well, but talking to others with the Ultras they are running around 4K+ watts to each sub making it an absolute force by any measure...

 

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Cy,

What did you decide on?

 

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I'm also in the market for a sub for a large room, the family room plus office adds up to approx 6,500 cu/feet and I'm struggling with a decision. I was leaning towards dual Empires as mentioned above but Epik doesn't ship to Canada unless I waive the warranty and arrange shipping myself, according to the website. So now I'm back to square one.

Be sure to post back with what you decided on.

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I'm also in the market for a sub for a large room, the family room plus office adds up to approx 6,500 cu/feet and I'm struggling with a decision. I was leaning towards dual Empires as mentioned above but Epik doesn't ship to Canada unless I waive the warranty and arrange shipping myself, according to the website. So now I'm back to square one.

Be sure to post back with what you decided on.

Funkywaves is in Canada, might want to give them a call.

Also SVS:
http://www.sonicboomaudio.com/box-su...hfo0n5c5j7fgi0

I would start with one of these.

Or if you can:
http://www.sonicboomaudio.com/box-su...ies-c-1_7.html

Another option if cylinder is fine for WAF:
http://www.sonicboomaudio.com/svs-pc...fier-p-32.html

http://www.sonicboomaudio.com/pcultr...e-amp-p-9.html

Those are very solid prices.
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Funkywaves is in Canada, might want to give them a call.

Also SVS:
http://www.sonicboomaudio.com/box-su...hfo0n5c5j7fgi0

I would start with one of these.

Or if you can:
http://www.sonicboomaudio.com/box-su...ies-c-1_7.html

Another option if cylinder is fine for WAF:
http://www.sonicboomaudio.com/svs-pc...fier-p-32.html

http://www.sonicboomaudio.com/pcultr...e-amp-p-9.html

Those are very solid prices.
I was looking at Dual PB12-NSD. I thought I had read two smaller subs had advantages over a single larger sub?

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I was looking at Dual PB12-NSD. I thought I had read two smaller subs had advantages over a single larger sub?

It depends on the room. With as much space as you have, I would consider the biggest, baddest sub you can get and then add a second matching one down the road.

When I spoke to Epik, Chase, Hsu, and SVS about my room they all recommended getting the biggest sub my budget allowed and then go from there.
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Sometimes different rooms have difference results as the case with mine 2 subs would have to be collocated for optimum results which made the decision of getting the best sub my budget would afford.
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Cy,

What did you decide on?

I'm still weighing out my options. So far I'm leaning more towards the DIY route, but I would have to wait a while since I don't have any tools. Seems like the best bang for my buck; and I will need saws, clamps, etc, for home improvements for my newly purchased house anyway. The tools would get much more use than speaker building.
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