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I think I have narrowed it down to this sub. I was considering the supercube 4000 but I feel it is probably too small considering I already have two 8" woofers in each tower on my Klipsh RF 82's.

I will use it for 95% movies, room is about 17X20 with 10 foot ceilings, teh room is also open alittle bit to the rest of the house(no door). I can get this sub about half off retail thats why I am not considering an independent brand.

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I think I have narrowed it down to this sub. I was considering the supercube 4000 but I feel it is probably too small considering I already have two 8" woofers in each tower on my Klipsh RF 82's.

I will use it for 95% movies, room is about 17X20 with 10 foot ceilings, teh room is also open alittle bit to the rest of the house(no door). I can get this sub about half off retail thats why I am not considering an independent brand.

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What is your actual budget?
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That's a good question, what is your budget?
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What is your actual budget?

I dont think I can quote prices on here, but I can get any Logan for about 50% off retail. With that said, I really dont want to exceed $800. I would like to stay closer to $500 if possible.

I dont know if it matters, but the rest of the speakers are Klipsch Refernce Series with a Pioneer Elite 94THX receiver. The towers are RF82's.

I do plan on having a dedicated home theater room within 5 years.
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I dont think I can quote prices on here, but I can get any Logan for about 50% off retail. With that said, I really dont want to exceed $800. I would like to stay closer to $500 if possible.

I dont know if it matters, but the rest of the speakers are Klipsch Refernce Series with a Pioneer Elite 94THX receiver. The towers are RF82's.

I do plan on having a dedicated home theater room within 5 years.

You should consider some of the ID brands. Something like a PB12-NSD at about $750.00 might work for you. I know you would like stay at around $500.00, but if it was me I would go for the best sub I could afford, which your cutoff is $800.00.
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You should consider some of the ID brands.

Even at 50% off retail? Seems crazy that the brick and mortar brands wouldnt be a good buy at that price.
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Even at 50% off retail? Seems crazy that the brick and mortar brands wouldnt be a good buy at that price.

50% off of what? If the Brick & Mortar is retailed a $1,000 50% off is $500.00.

If you are saying 50% off of $500.00 which = $250.00 that's probably a better deal from the BM, that means you could get two.
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Brent Butterworth from Sound&Vision tested the Dynamo 1000.

"The Dyanamo 1000 subwoofer's output is fairly typical for its size, with average low bass (40-63Hz) output of 103.9db and average ultra-low-bass (20-31.5Hz) output of 82.3db."

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/art...akers?page=0,4

With specs like those the Dynamo 1000 might make a decent music sub (at least according to some), but really lacking for movies...
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50% off of what? If the Brick & Mortar is retailed a $1,000 50% off is $500.00.

If you are saying 50% off of $500.00 which = $250.00 that's probably a better deal from the BM, that means you could get two.

50% of retail prices, so yes if retail is $1,000, I get it for $500.
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Even at 50% off retail? Seems crazy that the brick and mortar brands wouldnt be a good buy at that price.

Honestly, they are not going to measure up to ID brands near that price. For just a little more you can get a SVS PB12 NSD, HSU VTF3-MK4, Outlaw LFM1 EX, or Rythmik FV12.

The Rythmik would be very close to the Dynamo once you add tax. If it was me, I would stretch for the Hsu or SVS. Both will be under $800 shipped and the Outlaw I mentioned goes on sale for around $550 shipped from time to time.

That said, the Dynamo is not bad, and if you are set on buying it, you could do much worse for the money.
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50% of retail prices, so yes if retail is $1,000, I get it for $500.

Since you said 95% movies, even at that price ($500.00), you probably could find a better performing sub for movies at $500 by going ID. Also, if you want to be happy, I think you should opt for higher end of your budget and get a PB12-NSD and close the books until you're ready to upgrade again.
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Honestly, they are not going to measure up to ID brands near that price. For just a little more you can get a SVS PB12 NSD, HSU VTF3-MK4, Outlaw LFM1 EX, or Rythmik FV12.

The Rythmik would be very close to the Dynamo once you add tax. If it was me, I would stretch for the Hsu or SVS. Both will be under $800 shipped and the Outlaw I mentioned goes on sale for around $550 shipped from time to time.

That said, the Dynamo is not bad, and if you are set on buying it, you could do much worse for the money.

Wow that blows my mind that the name that the bruck and mortar are that overpriced! Even the Martin Grotto at half off is a bad buy? Im not even sure why that sub is so much more. By teh way, Im from Maple Grove!
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Raise your hand if you think the CEA output from 20-31.5Hz of 82.3db makes the grade for movies...
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Wow that blows my mind that the name that the bruck and mortar are that overpriced! Even the Martin Grotto at half off is a bad buy? Im not even sure why that sub is so much more. By teh way, Im from Maple Grove!

Where's Maple Grove, is that CA or NY?
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Where's Maple Grove, is that CA or NY?

Minnesota
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Wow that blows my mind that the name that the bruck and mortar are that overpriced! Even the Martin Grotto at half off is a bad buy? Im not even sure why that sub is so much more. By teh way, Im from Maple Grove!

Hey, small world! The problem with brick and mortar and brand names like Martin Logan, Definitive Technology, B&W, etc is they jack up the price and then offer sales to make it look like a great deal. You still have the retailer as the middleman, so there is their markup and the manufacturer has to make a profit. The Internet Direct companies typically have no middleman, and small margins since there is so much competition. The other issue I have seen with brick and mortar is that the specs are often overrated, where most ID companies use standardized tests and have been tested and reviewed by third parties. There is a reason why so many bass fanatics and audiophiles recommend Hsu, SVS, Rythimk, Epik, etc so much around here. Because you cannot beat the price for performance.

Again the Martin Logan is not a bad deal, but for a little more you will get a better subwoofer. Look at all the tuning options on the HSU model. Depending on your preference for movies or music you can custom tune the sub for your preferences.
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Minnesota

Best Buy is based in Minnesota and their corporate headquarters is about 15 miles or so away from Maple Grove.
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Brent Butterworth from Sound&Vision tested the Dynamo 1000.

"The Dyanamo 1000 subwoofer's output is fairly typical for its size, with average low bass (40-63Hz) output of 103.9db and average ultra-low-bass (20-31.5Hz) output of 82.3db."

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/art...akers?page=0,4

With specs like those the Dynamo 1000 might make a decent music sub (at least according to some), but really lacking for movies...

Good to know, that was my concern with the Martin Logans.
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So basically the conclusion is that even at 50% of lets say best buy prices, IM still getting screwed?
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Good to know, that was my concern with the Martin Logans.

I sense you have some kind of reservation about purchasing from an ID company, would that be correct?
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So basically the conclusion is that even at 50% of lets say best buy prices, IM still getting screwed?

I wouldn't say that, however according what you want, which is good to great performer for movies for a price between $500.00 and $800.00, there are better performing subs from the ID companies.
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I wouldn't say that, however according what you want, which is good to great performer for movies for a price between $500.00 and $800.00, there are better performing subs from the ID companies.

Exactly. For peace of mind, if you are concerned about buying online, SVS and Hsu have been doing this a very long time and have excellent customer service and warranties. There are very few complaints from owners and rarely does someone have an issue that is not resolved very quickly. SVS has the best warranty in the business. Far better than Martin Logan.
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I sense you have some kind of reservation about purchasing from an ID company, would that be correct?

Maybe a little because I know nothign about them. I jsut thought with 50% off off retail, I could atleast match the ID companies and I know that they have decent warranties.
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Exactly. For peace of mind, if you are concerned about buying online, SVS and Hsu have been doing this a very long time and have excellent customer service and warranties. There are very few complaints from owners and rarely does someone have an issue that is not resolved very quickly. SVS has the best warranty in the business. Far better than Martin Logan.

Didnt know that. Warranty is an issue.
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Didnt know that. Warranty is an issue.

I have owned SVS and Hsu products and you cannot go wrong with either. I currently own an Hsu VTF-15H and I am a research freak. The sub is built like a tank and there just are not issues with their products. Rarely do you see someone have an issue.

If you are really on the fence, PM me and I might be able to let you look and listen if it can help you device. Just know the 15H is about $1k shipped
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Warranty is interesting:

SVS has 5 years. Includes driver and amplifier.

HSU has 7 years on the driver and 2 years on the amplifier.

You can add 3 more years on the amplifier for $100 on the VTF-15H. HSU also offers this extended warranty on its other models. The price for the additional 3 years on the electronics varies in cost depending on the specific model. To see the cost of the extended warranty you have to add a sub to your cart and you will see the price of the extended warranty. Of course you can always call to get the price of the extended warranty over the phone.
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Honestly, they are not going to measure up to ID brands near that price. For just a little more you can get a SVS PB12 NSD, HSU VTF3-MK4, Outlaw LFM1 EX, or Rythmik FV12.

The Rythmik would be very close to the Dynamo once you add tax. If it was me, I would stretch for the Hsu or SVS. Both will be under $800 shipped and the Outlaw I mentioned goes on sale for around $550 shipped from time to time.

Agreed. For mainly HT use, you'll love any of these choices.

And if you want to stay in the $500-$600 range, also look at the HSU VTF-2 MK4 and Outlaw Audio Plus.

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I have owned SVS and Hsu products and you cannot go wrong with either. I currently own an Hsu VTF-15H and I am a research freak. The sub is built like a tank and there just are not issues with their products. Rarely do you see someone have an issue.

If you are really on the fence, PM me and I might be able to let you look and listen if it can help you device. Just know the 15H is about $1k shipped

Thanks for the offer! I actually live in another state now so that won't work. I grew up in Maple Grove.
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I am close to completely switching and goign ID. BUT, it seems like the box store subs have all this technology built in, is it all a bunch of BS?

And finally, a very important aspect is ease of use and setting up. I dont know nearly as much as you guys and i need somethign that is almost brainless to setup. Would you still recommend ID?
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I am close to completely switching and goign ID. BUT, it seems like the box store subs have all this technology built in, is it all a bunch of BS?

And finally, a very important aspect is ease of use and setting up. I dont know nearly as much as you guys and i need somethign that is almost brainless to setup. Would you still recommend ID?

I would not say it is BS, again, you can just get better performance for the price with ID typically.

As far as setting up, it does not matter if you buy your subwoofer at Best Buy or SVS, it will be very similar to setup. The great thing about a company like Hsu or SVS, is they will give you instructions with the sub, or you can cal their customer service team and they will talk you through it on the phone (or you can ask folks here). Nothing too complicated if you keep it simple and follow instructions.
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