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Hi All,
Long story short, I've had a Velodyne FSR-12 for 17 years now and it still performs nicely to this day! I have the upgrade sub bug now and have auditioned the Def Tech Supercube 2000 & 4000. While they are nice subs I couldn't help wonder how an ID sub would perform instead.

I have been reading these threads all week long and hear nothing but praise for SVS, HSU, and others. I use an Onkyo 809, Polk CS20, & Polk TSi400's for the front. The SVS Merlin said the PB12-NSD & SB12-NSD would be a good match for my system.

My living room is 17L x 15w x 9' ceilings. My budget is $850.00. I'm 85% movie & 15% music listening. Would the 2 mentioned SVS subs give me all the musicality & punch for movies I am looking for while rattling the cats & dogs teeth out? lol! Also, might want to use my Velo in a dual sub setup - overkill?

I will purchase a sub this week, thx for all suggestions & advice! Bill
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With such a large portion of your usage going to movies, I would go with the PB12-Nsd. As long as you have room for it. I had the cylinder version and it was great with movies and music.

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I upgraded to a PB12-NSD and its just amazing, the bass is exceptionally clean and it sounds excellent with music or movies. I would say it edges towards sounding slightly better with movies. Audioholics review on the PB12-NSD rate the sub for LARGE spaces 3000-5000 cubic feet. I don't know what your room size is, but if you numbers fit into that range or below, I think you'll be very happy. I'm in a 1000 cubic foot room and it easily pressurizes the space, I have to turn the dial down quite a bit because it can get very loud!

It may be useful to you to know that I did try the SB12-NSD, but returned it because it just didn't have the kind of output for movies to make me happy. Anyhows, once I tried the PB12, output problem solved. Check out the audioholics review on this sub, if you haven't already, for more specifics on the performance of this sub:

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...ofers/pb12-nsd
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You would need dual SB12 NSDs to match the PB12 NSD. Dual SB12s would easily out perform a single PB12 NSD from 40-80 Hz, match or slightly exceed at 30-35Hz, From 20-25 Hz, a single PB12 NSD would out perform dual SB12-NSDs.

I say go from either the PC12 or PB12 NSD.
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THX everyone for suggestions. I purchased a PB12-NSD this morning and can't wait for it to arrive!
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THX everyone for suggestions. I purchased a PB12-NSD this morning and can't wait for it to arrive!

Congrats, you made a great choice. Please share your impressions once you get it setup. Room placement is key!
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THX everyone for suggestions. I purchased a PB12-NSD this morning and can't wait for it to arrive!

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My living room is 17L x 15w x 9' ceilings. My budget is $850.00. I'm 85% movie & 15% music listening. ... Ipurchased a PB12-NSD this morning and can't wait for it to arrive!

Congrats on your new sub! The PB12-NSD should work very well in your HT space.

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Also, might want to use my Velo in a dual sub setup - overkill?

Nope. If you can integrate the Velo into the rest of your set-up, go for it!
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good going.

I would just use the PB12 alone for a while and see how you like it. If you want to use two subs, it's usually best to have two subs that sound similar, but integrating the old Velo can be done if you are careful that one doesn't overpower the other

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The PB12-nsd has an rca line out which can be fed to your Velo for as dual sub rig.
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YaY! My SVS PB12-NSD just arrived an hour ago. Now gotta read up on how to set this beast up. THX again everyone for converting me from store to ID buy. I think I will be very pleased.
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YaY! My SVS PB12-NSD just arrived an hour ago. Now gotta read up on how to set this beast up. THX again everyone for converting me from store to ID buy. I think I will be very pleased.

Wow only 3 days from ordering till arrival

Yes I think you will be very happy. Get that bad boy setup and rewatch some favorite movies and see what you been missing.
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Wow only 3 days from ordering till arrival

Yes I think you will be very happy. Get that bad boy setup and rewatch some favorite movies and see what you been missing.



...Yea, I was shocked it got here so quick! Ohio to Texas in 3 days, free shipping & $100.00 cheaper than the DT SuperCube 4000 from BestBuy I tried out locally. Win, Win all around!
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I just ordered a pb12 nsd can't wait for it arrive. This is my first post
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Congrats and welcome Sullivan! Yea, hopefully yours comes in quick also. I set mine up using Auddesy last nite but haven't had much of a chance to "play" yet. We had a new double French door installed today which has taken up most of the day. I did watch Super 8 last nite, great movie by the way and was floored by what I heard even at low volume. Enjoy! We will see you later on the boards! Bill
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...Yea, I was shocked it got here so quick! Ohio to Texas in 3 days, free shipping & $100.00 cheaper than the DT SuperCube 4000 from BestBuy I tried out locally. Win, Win all around!

SVS does great job with shipping and customer support.
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Well after almost 2 weeks with my PB12-NSD all I can say WOW! Don't really get to crank it much with the wife in the house but when she's gone it's pure music/movie nirvana! Think I got her dialed in pretty good, just don't know how many hours the breakin period is, don't want to abuse her, hehe.
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SVS makes a well-built product. I wouldn't worry so much about break-in. Your room isn't huge and you'd really have to push that sub hard to find its limits. My room is 11.5 x 14 x 8 and beyond a certain volume it will drive me the heck out of there.

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How's the PB12-NSD holding up? I'm thinking about purchasing one to upgrade my old Polk PSW505.

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How's the PB12-NSD holding up? I'm thinking about purchasing one to upgrade my old Polk PSW505.

Hey man. I didn't start this thread, but I did buy a PC12-NSD last December, so I can tell you how it's been going for me.

My listening area is just south of 1500 cubic feet, with a six foot opening to the rest of my small apartment. The listening position is three feet from the rear wall, about 12 feet from the sub; the sub's position is just inside my left main, about 25 inches from the front wall and about 30 inches from the left wall.

I've spent the last year collecting movies from the Master List thread. The novelty hasn't worn off. Just recently I started running movies on my system without Dynamic Volume, opting instead just to turn the sub channel down, because lately I've enjoyed the originally recorded dynamics, even at a lower master volume. Anyway, holy smokes, some of the heavy hitters, (War of the Worlds, How To Train Your Dragon, Hot Fuzz, Live Free Or Die Hard, etc.) have me rolling the sub channel down to -10, that's against an Audyssey recommendation of -5. Granted, other users in larger spaces, or with bigger bass appetites, which seems around here to be almost everybody, might not be so bowled over by this thing as I still am, but I still am.

There've been no incidents all year--no weird noises or operational hiccups, perfect behavior this whole time. I bought it as a warehouse special, which means it was probably previously owned to begin with, which is even more telling.

Coming here all the time, sometimes I get a touch of that bass greed that tells me to upgrade because there are things I can upgrade to. What's been keeping my wallet heavy this year is the experience I have whenever I actually run my setup. Still thrilled a year later smile.gif

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Once you SVS you never go back. Have a order in for my 2nd SVS sub.

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How's the PB12-NSD holding up? I'm thinking about purchasing one to upgrade my old Polk PSW505.

I 'had' a polk sub - the 404 i think was the model. Not impressed by it at all (very boomy and no real SPL to it either). I have the PBUltra-13 and ( about 5 weeks now) a PB12 - NSD. All I can say is, you'll be going to an entirely different class of subwoofer. Hang on to your hat smile.gif

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Thanks for the replies. I just received my PB12-NSD. So far, so good.

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