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I'm looking for a tight, punchy, musical sub that can keep up with fast basslines. This sub will be used almost exclusively for music (all types:trance, rock, jazz, dubstep, acoustic, classical). The main speakers I will be pairing it with are audioengine A5s so I don't need something too loud. I also have a pair of mission 733's that I may add on to make a 4.1 surround sound system. I would prefer a front firing port, but it's not a requirement and I'd like to keep it under $200.

Right now I'm looking at:

BIC V1020, 10":
$150, 160W rms, 26-180Hz

Velodyne VX-11, 10":
$159, 100W rms, 33-140Hz

Energy ESW-C8, 8":
$180, 60W rms, 36-140Hz

On paper, the BIC looks like the top choice but I'm not sure if it's the most musical. Any recommendations?
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The Outlaw Audio M8 B-Stock is $225. Its 125 watts rms continuous/200 watts peak dynamic. 29hz-250hz +/-3db. 8" downfiring sub and 3" downfiring port.

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The Outlaw Audio M8 B-Stock is $225. Its 125 watts rms continuous/200 watts peak dynamic. 29hz-250hz +/-3db. 8" downfiring sub and 3" downfiring port.

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The M8 would be my choice, too, if you can spend just a little more.

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Of the products mentioned the Outlaw M8 B-Stock is more likely to function as a true subwoofer rather than a mid-bass module.
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Hmm I'll have to look more into the Outlaw Audio m8 to see if it's worth it. I also found a MartinLogan Dynamo 300 which has a similar, 8" downfiring sub and port for $130. Does anyone know if this is likely to perform similar to the outlaw? I noticed that Steve Guttenberg reviewed and praised the Outlaw but I'm not sure how much I trust his reviews. He's saying "The Outlaw Audio M8 sub is the most powerful sub I've heard for less than $300", but this is kind of ridiculous knowing that the PA 120 will pack a much bigger punch.
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And lava vs outlaw? Which one is more musical?
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Hmm I'll have to look more into the Outlaw Audio m8 to see if it's worth it. I also found a MartinLogan Dynamo 300 which has a similar, 8" downfiring sub and port for $130. Does anyone know if this is likely to perform similar to the outlaw? I noticed that Steve Guttenberg reviewed and praised the Outlaw but I'm not sure how much I trust his reviews. He's saying "The Outlaw Audio M8 sub is the most powerful sub I've heard for less than $300", but this is kind of ridiculous knowing that the PA 120 will pack a much bigger punch.

The Outlaw is more likely to work more as true subwoofer than the Dynamo which is closer to a mid-bass module.

In the following list the Dynamo is at number 193. Not a very good showing.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...hl=en_US#gid=0

95 db average from 25Hz-62Hz in-room. The Dynamo could only manage 78 db at 25Hz. Not a good showing.
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Hmm the outlaw looks promising. Would the 8" outlaw be enough to handle reggae and dubstep to the same levels as my audioengine a5s? If not, I'll probably end up getting the lava LSP10. My bedroom is about 10' x 10' x 9'.
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One the one hand, you should get more bass output from the Lava 10" than the Outlaw M8.

However, this graph is from a review of the Lava 12" subwoofer. See how peaky the frequency response is? One would imagine that the 10" would be similar. Meanwhile, the Outlaw M8 is rated 29Hz-250Hz +/-3dB, so it should be a lot flatter.

So if you like your dubstep and reggae really loud, go with the Lava. If you want a more accurate frequency response, the M8.

Here's a short review of the M8, and then the in-depth review of the Lava 12".

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One the one hand, you should get more bass output from the Lava 10" than the Outlaw M8.

However, this graph is from a review of the Lava 12" subwoofer. See how peaky the frequency response is? One would imagine that the 10" would be similar. Meanwhile, the Outlaw M8 is rated 29Hz-250Hz +/-3dB, so it should be a lot flatter.

So if you like your dubstep and reggae really loud, go with the Lava. If you want a more accurate frequency response, the M8.

Here's a short review of the M8, and then the in-depth review of the Lava 12".

Thanks for providing me with the dBSPL graph for the Lava. Having that huge peak at 70Hz has kind of turned me away from that as an option now. I have a sony system that I use for traveling/DJing parties. The sub on that, although loud, seems to have a peak around 70-100ish Hz and I can't stand listening to music on it.

I also do a hobbyist amount of music production and would prefer a flatter eq across the spectrum. I like my bass flat, accurate, and present. My audioengines alone are great for jazz, rock, and classical; but when I pull out the reggae and dubstep, the lower end is severely lacking.

Hopefully the outlaw m8 will be the solution I'm looking for. I probably won't purchase a subwoofer for at least a few weeks so keep the suggestions coming
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