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Ultimately I would like advice on which route to take, but before we get there here is my current set up.

Room size 20x20 but opens up to kitchen
Current set up energy take classic 5 pack
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Tv/movies 80% music 20%


My issues is the F12 produces a very lose/boomy bass response, calibrated many times. So currently have it up for sale.

I am looking at SVS SB12 for two reasons, performance reviews and cosmetics. (WAF) but.......svspb goes lower will I notice it?

I can upgrade to the SVS PB but only if it makes up for performance what it lacks in looks.

I am open to other subwoofers in the range of the svs if anyone wants to make recommendations. I also own a PL-200 part of my bedroom set up and love it but reading reviews after reviews about how SVS is on another planet vs subs in the pl200's league has lead me here seeking experince based advice that can help me make the right choice. I don't mind spending the extra $500 for an SVS over the pl200 but is this a huge upgrade?
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That's a pretty big room for a single SB12... How big of a sub can you fit? Here's an example of a sub that would do a better job for less then the SVS

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfm1plus.html
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That's a pretty big room for a single SB12... How big of a sub can you fit? Here's an example of a sub that would do a better job for less then the SVS

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfm1plus.html

I doubt that a ported Outlaw sub would produce tighter bass over a sealed SB12-NSD.
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I doubt that a ported Outlaw sub would produce tighter bass over a sealed SB12-NSD.

Certainly. But the SQ difference between the SB12-NSD and the Plus would be minor compared to the improvement over the F12 in SQ with either sub. And the Plus will provide enough bass for the room, while also reaching down below 20hz with solid performance in maximum extension mode. And it's on sale through the 4th for $499 shipped. So it's a much better price/performance fit for the intended use than the SB12, and it would still be even at it's regular price.

Get the Plus. You'll find it to be a nice improvement over your PL-200, too. Ask questions in the Outlaw owner's thread if you want to learn more.

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I doubt that a ported Outlaw sub would produce tighter bass over a sealed SB12-NSD.

Did you see this part?

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Room size 20x20 but opens up to kitchen

You think telling the OP he will be happy dropping $650 on a single compact sealed 12" is good advice?

The Outlaw does not have a bloated 50hz peak like the Bic subs he's upgrading from. There's nothing about the design that will make it bad for the OP's situation....
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Thank you all for the replies.

My biggest issue that I face is I want the performance but wife wants a subwoofer that blends in best it can without drawing too much attention to it

Let me ask you all this...will the svs sb12 be
A. Enough to fill my space
B. Be the right fit for my listening habits?
C. Or a epik legend which has a moderate footprint and spoke with owner chad he said that it will do a better job then the sealed svs. Thoughts? It's 499$ currently



Thank you all once again! I will post pictures of room tonight.
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C. Or a epik legend which has a moderate footprint and spoke with owner chad he said that it will do a better job then the sealed svs. Thoughts? It's 499$ currently

The Plus has the same width and is only 2" deeper. So the footprint is very close. The EX should have a little better output at the low end in frequency response. Given that your main usage is HT and the Plus is a little cheaper (free shipping), I would go with it. But I'm biased. I have an Outlaw EX

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You think telling the OP he will be happy dropping $650 on a single compact sealed 12" is good advice?

The Outlaw does not have a bloated 50hz peak like the Bic subs he's upgrading from. There's nothing about the design that will make it bad for the OP's situation....

You're probably correct, a small sealed sub might not be enough for his room. He's going have to make a compromise that we all have to do with limited budgets.
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My room is larger than yours that opens up to the kitchen and dining room and at first I only had one Outlaw plus. It did a good job but I am a bass junkie so I bought another one. I would definitely go with the plus over the other mentioned subs. By the way....The outlaw subs look nice. They have black glass on top of them so they actually look like an end table. You will not be disappointed with the Plus or EX. 499 shipped is a steal for the plus!

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Is paying an extra 150$ for the EX worth the money in performance?
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My issues is the F12 produces a very lose/boomy bass response,
calibrated many times. So currently have it up for sale.

the sub is boomy because you do not have it set properly. go to;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=824554
and near the bottom of the first post there is a test audio section.
download realtraps, it has test tones that go from 10Hz to 300Hz in 10 second intervals.
by ear listen for clean tones set subs volume until you hear it.
be patient it takes time. boomy is because sub is set too loud usually.

now for the looseness, it is because the amp driving the sub is too high and
what you are hearing is the cone bottoming out.


patience and your ear is what you need for the adjustment. once it is set
you should hear nothing from the sub itself. no noise and vibration that is.
any low frequency noise heard should almost sound like it is coming from
everywhere in the room...that is where you are facing. when you and your
wife sit for a movie and both do not hear anything from the sub
'you have it set properly.'

PS if you live near me I'll help...

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in case you were wondering, I have the brother BIC V1220 and it shakes my house
even using the type of settings mentioned.
my sub's master volume is just above 3.5 near 3.75 out of 10.
it is horrible at 10...

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the sub is boomy because you do not have it set properly. go to;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=824554
and near the bottom of the first post there is a test audio section.
download realtraps, it has test tones that go from 10Hz to 300Hz in 10 second intervals.
by ear listen for clean tones set subs volume until you hear it.
be patient it takes time. boomy is because sub is set too loud usually.

now for the looseness, it is because the amp driving the sub is too high and
what you are hearing is the cone bottoming out.


patience and your ear is what you need for the adjustment. once it is set
you should hear nothing from the sub itself. no noise and vibration that is.
any low frequency noise heard should almost sound like it is coming from
everywhere in the room...that is where you are facing. when you and your
wife sit for a movie and both do not hear anything from the sub
'you have it set properly.'

PS if you live near me I'll help...

Thanks for the tips..I live in Sacramento.

I sold the bic today so now I have a choice to make the Epik or Outlaw.....someone sell me
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I can help. My room is 14x17x8 which opens to a kitchen. I have a single sb12. It gives plenty of bass. Yes i get the restricter light now and again. But it hits hard and pretty deep.

Try it out and if disappointed svs has a 45 day no risk trial period.

But i am quite sure you will be at least pleased. And this thing is tiny. Awesoem bass too. Just not AS good as a pb12 but no where near the size. And you are not missing THAT much imho. And to validate. I know what a big sub is like. I used to have a 20-39cs+ svs sub. Tuned to 16hz.

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I can help. My room is 14x17x8 which opens to a kitchen. I have a single sb12. It gives plenty of bass. Yes i get the restricter light now and again. But it hits hard and pretty deep.

Try it out and if disappointed svs has a 45 day no risk trial period.

But i am quite sure you will be at least pleased. And this thing is tiny. Awesoem bass too. Just not AS good as a pb12 but no where near the size. And you are not missing THAT much imho. And to validate. I know what a big sub is like. I used to have a 20-39cs+ svs sub. Tuned to 16hz.

I can do with the size of the epik or outlaw and I like the savings in price...just torn between the two, which will give me better performance?
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Thank you all for the replies.

My biggest issue that I face is I want the performance but wife wants a subwoofer that blends in best it can without drawing too much attention to it

Let me ask you all this...will the svs sb12 be
A. Enough to fill my space
B. Be the right fit for my listening habits?
C. Or a epik legend which has a moderate footprint and spoke with owner chad he said that it will do a better job then the sealed svs. Thoughts? It's 499$ currently



Thank you all once again! I will post pictures of room tonight.

Listen, everyone will give you an opinion on what sub is best. According to most responses I received about my room size (3K cu. ft. listening area but open to near 6K cu. ft.) I needed TWO subs. I bought a single Rythmik FV15 based on personel use from other AVS and Blu Ray.com users, plus watching the shootout till I was crosseyed, AND the advice from Brian and Enrico at Rythmik. I haven't really pushed this sub as yet and it's blowing me away! Your choice on the SVS SB12 sounds like it would do the job, but again, you MIGHT be better off with the ported PB12 NSD, it's only (yeah, I know!) $120. more and it will give you more output for sure than the sealed sub. My budget originally? Same as yours $499. and I was looking at Epic Legend as well. Did tons of research and asked tons of questions. Now I spent 2.5 times more than my original budget! Buy once, and be done. Don't under buy yourself!

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