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I was hoping someone could help with the situation I am having. I just ordered a Definitive Technology Supercube 2000 from an online store to replace my orb audio uber 10. I wanted something that sounded a bit better with music. The tiny definitive sub (smaller than the super 8) actually has better specs too. Before I get it though, I was wondering if I made a good choice. The specs for the Uber 10 are 10 inch driver, 300 watts (peak 500), and frequency response 24-160hz. It's also 13.5 inch cube (price 699). While the specs for the subercube are one 7.5 inch driver, two 7.5 inch low bass radiators, 650 watts, and a frequency response of 20-200hz (price 599 sale 475). It seems too good to be true. How could this thing be that much better on paper at a lower price and size even? Any thoughts on the comparison of these two? It seems like the specs would indicate that the super cube would not only be better for music, but it would also have a better low end too. By the way, the sub will be matched with orb audio mod 4 center channel and mod 2's for the other four channels. Here are the links for the two subs.

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It seems too good to be true. How could this thing be that much better on paper at a lower price and size even? Any thoughts on the comparison of these two?

DefTech: The amp is rated at 650W, but it's not clear whether that's RMS or peak or imaginary. The FR is 20-200Hz +/- ?dB (3? 6? 10?).
OrbAudio: The amp is rated at 300W (RMS?) and 500W peak. I couldn't find the FR you indicated on the page you linked to.

If I had to choose one the two subs based solely on the info. available on those two product pages, I'd go with the Orb because:
- it's got a 10" driver; and
- I think it looks nice.

Just my 2¢...
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If I could get the same low end with the DT sub, but with tighter bass for music it would be worth the upgrade. It is also WAY smaller. Sometimes the orb sub sounds a little boomy for music and movies. I want tighter bass all around. Do you think they would be able to reach the same level on the low end? Does a bigger driver (10 inches) guarantee better low end? Where can I get the more technical info you were wondering about? Oh, the FR for the orb was found on a professional review. So, Orb 24-160 DT 20-200.
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SVS SB12-NSD... Not sure if this sub fits your size requirements, but it will blow the 2 you mentioned out of the water. It will be clean, tight, and accurate. (Probably the best small sub in the market at this price point)

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/sb12-nsd

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Sorry I could barely cut the 475 price of the DT sub. I am just looking for advice between these two models right now.
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The Super Cube 2000 is very much like the older Super Cube III. When tested, the SCIII doesn't do very well with output or extension.

In the following chart, the Super Cube III is on line number 155. Frequency response measured a disappointing 44Hz-110Hz +/- 2.3 db. This isn't remotely close to the specs published by Def Tech. The 25-62Hz average of 98 db is also very unimpressive.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...hl=en_US#gid=0

You would do better with something from Outlaw or HSU. Too bad you missed out on the $499 sale on the Outlaw LFM-1 Plus for $499 shipped. It is so much better than either of the subs you mentioned, it isn't even funny...of course it should be it is much larger and weighs about 3 times as much.
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At that price you could get the Cadence CSX-12 with money left over. They sometimes offer discounts through AVS or Audiholics membership.

If you have the room this sub smokes either of the 2 you mentioned as well as many other subs near its price range.

It may be ported but it is still very tight and musical especially considering the price point it occupies.

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/art...k-ii-subwoofer

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Oh, the FR for the orb was found on a professional review. So, Orb 24-160 DT 20-200.

FWIW:
- The DefTech may be "20-200", but it's most definitely not 20-200Hz +/-3dB. It may not even extend down to 30Hz @ -3dB. (My older DefTech ProSub 200TL - 12" driver, 250W RMS amp - was officially rated down to "18Hz", but a company rep confirmed that it was actually 26Hz @ -3dB.)
- The only page I found that lists the Orb's FR as "24-160" is this one. It does not include a variance, so it's very likely that the Orb, too, may not even extend down to 30Hz @ -3dB.
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You should ask first before making your purchase. You can do a lot better for $475 if size is not you limitation.
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I guess I will have to let my ears do the test. Size is a big factor to me and that is why I was interested in the super cube to begin with. It is much smaller than the Orb Uber 10. I don't need a sub that goes lower than the orb, I was hoping that the super cube could at least match the low end, while giving me tighter bass for the music. Like I said, I also want something very small due to size constraints. I live in a condo and am already at the max as far as thumping bass goes with my neighbors.
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Got the cube, so far it seems to be able to reach all the low notes of the orb. This is just from viewing common test scenes and music, so I will have to use it more to see. I also need to let it break in for awhile.
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I ended up determining that the orb had better lows. However, wanting an 8inch subhas become a priority now. The wife is on my ass about something smaller. So, I ordered the super cube 4000. Do you guys think that this sub will perform better than the orb über 10? If not, what is the best 8inch sub out there? Please no huge sub recommendations.
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At that price you could get the Cadence CSX-12 with money left over. They sometimes offer discounts through AVS or Audiholics membership.

If you have the room this sub smokes either of the 2 you mentioned as well as many other subs near its price range.

It may be ported but it is still very tight and musical especially considering the price point it occupies.

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/art...k-ii-subwoofer

Ehh, that sub is more like a really impressive mid bass module

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/art...oofer?page=0,3

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I ended up determining that the orb had better lows. However, wanting an 8inch subhas become a priority now. The wife is on my ass about something smaller. So, I ordered the super cube 4000. Do you guys think that this sub will perform better than the orb über 10? If not, what is the best 8inch sub out there? Please no huge sub recommendations.

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/stf-1.html

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/m8.html

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=300-760
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Thanks, those look like great subwoofers, but they are all too big compared to the supercube 4000, which I got for 600 shipped. The reviews I found seem to be pretty good, and it is less than a cubic foot. Does any other company make something really good at that size?
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There is not any good sub at that size. It's pretty much physically impossible.
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Thanks, those look like great subwoofers, but they are all too big compared to the supercube 4000, which I got for 600 shipped. The reviews I found seem to be pretty good, and it is less than a cubic foot. Does any other company make something really good at that size?

The Outlaw is only like 2" higher and deeper... The Dayton is a a 14" cube. You would only notice the size difference if they were sitting next to each other. Time to put your pants on
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Okay, so after sound testing myself and emails to company representatives for both Definitive Technology and Orb Audio, I decided I am going to keep the Uber 10 sub and return the super cube. It turns out the frequency range I was given by Will Christiansen from orb is 21hz to 164hz at +or- 3db he said that the 24hz rating on their website is with a +or- 1db variance. Although I liked the size to performance ratio of both DT subs, they didn't really seem to hold up after extensive testing. Now, although it is bigger than I like, I am probably going to keep the orb. Anyway, the only other sub that I may be interested in is the SVS SB12, but I was looking at that sub's frequency range at +or- 3db and it is 23-270hz. Would this sub even be better than the orbs 21-164? The SVS is also an enclosed design, while the orb is ported. Would that give an advantage for music? What do you think? Should I keep the orb or go with the SVS? By the way the DT Rep told me the super cube was rated at 26-100hz +or- 3db, not too impressive.
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You obviously have a bug up your @ss with Cadence.

You make an unqualified statement about stating how bad it is and that it's just a "mid bass module"

THEN go one to recommend 3 options that have nowhere near the output capacity and are no better in FR or even worse. And Dayton

Posts like yours are not helpful and are reason why threads tend to turn to sh!t.

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You obviously have a bug up your @ss with Cadence.

You make an unqualified statement about stating how bad it is and that it's just a "mid bass module"

THEN go one to recommend 3 options that have nowhere near the output capacity and are no better in FR or even worse. And Dayton

Posts like yours are not helpful and are reason why threads tend to turn to sh!t.

Lop did you not click the link showing the cadence's measured response? The numbers tell the whole story, nothing else needs to be said.

Maybe you missed the part about the OP wanting an 8" sub smaller then a 12" cube.

Comprehension is not your friend.
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So no opinions on the orb vs svs knowing the specs on both now?
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Interesting. On the main Uber 10 page, they don't even list the frequency response range. If it was as good as Orb told you it was, why would it not be listed on the website? I don't know if I'd trust them on that because that's a pretty small enclosure 10" sub, and a lot of speaker manufacturers are overly optimistic about their specs.

However, SVS has been shown to be accurate with their specs. If it was me, I'd go with the SVS.

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Will from orb said that the fr on the page (24-160hz) was measured at +- 1db. However, he said it is 21-164 at +- 3db. After listening to it after hearing the dt subs, I could say it does go much lower. The only reason I got the dt dubs in the first place is because I thought their advertised specs were real. I wanted to switch because of the small size, but now I see that a 10 inch sub is better. I don't think that the specs for orb are off. The dt guy said the super cube 4000 got down to 26hz at 3db (not the advertised 16hz), and the orb sounded much lower than that.
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You obviously have a bug up your @ss with Cadence.

You make an unqualified statement about stating how bad it is and that it's just a "mid bass module"

THEN go one to recommend 3 options that have nowhere near the output capacity and are no better in FR or even worse. And Dayton

Posts like yours are not helpful and are reason why threads tend to turn to sh!t.

Not trying to Bash, but what do you dislike about Dayton?
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Not trying to Bash, but what do you dislike about Dayton?

For most things you get what you pay for. With Dayton you get a $150 sub, nothing more.

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Does anyone have any advice about the svs sb12 vs the user 10 or super 8 with the orbs?
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Does anyone have any advice about the svs sb12 vs the user 10 or super 8 with the orbs?

see this post

http://www.avsforum.com/t/769976/orb-speakers-official-thread/1260#post_22119921
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