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I hear that for the last 10 years JBL and Infinity amps have had these problems, but what other brands? So many people bash Cerwin Vega Ve28s for the amp blowing. I hear the same thing about other Cerwin Vega powered subs.
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Where are you hearing all these things....


Either way just to have some fun on a Saturday....




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No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

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Pokekevin I see people on here talk about them amazon reviews, other sites, and forums.
http://www.amazon.com/Cerwin-Vega-VE...#R9L4ICF3IAYPL

Read this review if you want to know why he was unhappy Great amp but beware!,
Cerwin Vega should make the sub woofers work right, and not ignore emails.
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Keyboadcat - if you don't mind me making an observation, but most often when I see you post, it's asking these kinds of questions.

The answer is, more often than not, you get what you pay for. If you buy "inexpensive" gear, that is what you have.

The problem is, ultimately I see you remark that you end up going to some pawn shop (or whatnot) to pick up used gear. A pawn shops is probably the last place I would consider looking to find great used gear.

If you want reliability and something that will last a long time, buy new - and buy from a reputable company with a strong warranty.

Companies such as Rythmik, HSU, SVS, ect. ect.
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not many people around here rolling with CV subs.
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I do buy used stuff bo130 but I am looking for new stuff also. I see what you are saying about buying used might be bad. The amp might have bad parts in it because of age. It may have one channel not working in the amp. Why do I feel like this is attack keyboardcat on every post month at avs. If you don't like my post you don't have to read them. Some of you buy used and new products, so why do I get judged buying them?
I just wondered in general about subwoofers because I thought about buying one new sometime. Certain users feel the need to attack me in every post.
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Look at hsu rythmik outlaw eD and etc

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

Must..stop...buying...every bluray release...
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Poke I use to have more faith in electronics when I was younger. I hear so about so many failures now. It is just scary. Televisions use to last longer. Most of my friends had lcd tv die on them in under 2 years. I am trying to find used stuff when I do find it. I usually buy my video games new unless I see it for 5 or 10 at goodwill. I stay away from gamestop because they over charge on used games. I don't really go to pawn shops much. I have one in my area that I only went to twice in two years. I realize that I won't get the latest technology or the best receivers at a thrift store. Sometimes it still sounds okay. Buying a used subwoofer is risky. I think that I would only buy it new. I wish that I could hear hsu rythmik outlaw in person. They are all mainly internet dealers?
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Poke I use to have more faith in electronics when I was younger. I hear so about so many failures now. It is just scary. Televisions use to last longer. Most of my friends had lcd tv die on them in under 2 years. I am trying to find used stuff when I do find it. I usually buy my video games new unless I see it for 5 or 10 at goodwill. I stay away from gamestop because they over charge on used games. I don't really go to pawn shops much. I have one in my area that I only went to twice in two years. I realize that I won't get the latest technology or the best receivers at a thrift store. Sometimes it still sounds okay. Buying a used subwoofer is risky. I think that I would only buy it new. I wish that I could hear hsu rythmik outlaw in person. They are all mainly internet dealers?

See if anyone here lives around you and has one of the subs . I bought used but has to be from someone I trust

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Must..stop...buying...every bluray release...
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Some of you buy used and new products, so why do I get judged buying them?
I just wondered in general about subwoofers because I thought about buying one new sometime. Certain users feel the need to attack me in every post.

Noone's "attacking" you. You bring up a topic about a subwoofer here that (as another poster pointed out) not many people around this forum buy.

And - you were the one who asked the question, and were looking for opinions and suggestions.

I would say very comfortably that a great deal of people here buy new, and even when they don't - they make solid recommendations of products from manufacturers that people trust - and have a track record. Many of these e-tailers have a return policy, but what you may miss is that this place (through its participation) gathers a general consensus regarding products, their quality, their performance, their customer service level, and so forth.

How about posting a budget that you are looking at. You mentioned the cervin vega sub at around $270.

How about this:

http://hsuresearch.com/products/stf-1.html

$269 plus shipping. Has about the same specs from the amp (150 watts). 7 year warranty on the woofer, and 2 years on the amp. I had an original VTF-1 that ran flawlessly for 10 years. Even after failing after 10 years, HSU Research wanted only $115 to replace the caps on the amp.

People here (in all the forums) can steer you to decent stuff.
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Are you all saying that for the money these brands hsu rythmik outlaw outperform most of the stuff at stores and crutchfield?
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Are you all saying that for the money these brands hsu rythmik outlaw outperform most of the stuff at stores and crutchfield?

Yap

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what about Mirage, Boston Acoustics, Mordaunt Short, Dali, Definitive Technology? Those internet brands that you mentioned sound better then these brand subs?
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what about Mirage, Boston Acoustics, Mordaunt Short, Dali, Definitive Technology? Those internet brands that you mentioned sound better then these brand subs?

those brand subs have huge markup where is the internet direct ones do not in most cases.

http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=64 @ 5k

vs


http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=51 @ 1.2k

makes Velodyne look like a total ripoff
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cookieattk I do remember hearing Velodyne sound good at circuit city when it was opened. I was impressed with it, but it was 700 bucks I think. The salesman did a demo of Star Wars for me. You mentioned high markups of products. This is why I am going to hear some expensive amps soon. I want to make sure that I am not just paying for the name. I wish that more speaker companies made 12 and 15 inch woofers. I barely see floorstanding speakers that size anymore.
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I remember hearing many years ago at a hi fi store a powered sub. I forget the name of it. It was incredible. I didn't have enough money to buy it at the time. I asked the worker if it hit as hard as the NHT sub. He said no, but the bass is so much tighter. He said that it sounds better then NHT.
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The id companies have way better value. Speaker companies do make 12s. Just very expensive

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Must..stop...buying...every bluray release...
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id meaning Internet developers?
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When I go to many stores anymore, all I see are 5 and a half to 6 inch
floor-standing speakers. Sometimes I feel like the manufacturers want us to buy small speakers and a powered sub only. I remember seeing in the old days 15 and 12 inch sony, mtx, jenson, Cerwin Vega, Technics speakers, Yamaha Polk Audio. I miss the old days when I could find this stuff more.
Even Infinity had a 12 and 15 inch woofer
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pokekevin I did a search on craigslist for powered subwoofers. Not much came up,but car subs. I keep seeing a ad for a used paradigm sub. It's small and over a 100 bucks. I just started getting into nice stereo equipment less then a year ago.
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When I go to many stores anymore, all I see are 5 and a half to 6 inch
floor-standing speakers. Sometimes I feel like the manufacturers want us to buy small speakers and a powered sub only. I remember seeing in the old days 15 and 12 inch sony, mtx, jenson, Cerwin Vega, Technics speakers, Yamaha Polk Audio. I miss the old days when I could find this stuff more.
Even Infinity had a 12 and 15 inch woofer

Better to have a separate sub imho. You can better place it in the room. Id = internet dealer. Some folks already gave you some names to check out. Go from there and you'll be pleased

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Must..stop...buying...every bluray release...
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"Internet Direct"

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"Direct" meaning the sub comes directly from the manufacturer to you. No middle man to add to the cost. This is how, in general, you get a better bang for the buck with ID vendors.

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What might be of additional help is to know what your goals are. How big is your listening room? What is your maximum budget that you would be willing to consider for a sub? Do you tend to watch movies more, or music?
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what about Mirage, Boston Acoustics, Mordaunt Short, Dali, Definitive Technology? Those internet brands that you mentioned sound better then these brand subs?

Most of the time and always at the same price point.
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Most of the time and always at the same price point.

I think that this statement is untrue. It may be true when MSRP values are compared, but it's definitely not true when sales are factored in. Online retailers regularly sell B&M brand subs at big discounts, and in these cases, it's not hard to find B&M brand subs that produce better sound than their ID-brand counterparts.

I'll agree that ID-brand subs at a given price point, MSRP or sale price, almost always have output and extension advantages.

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Another point that needs to be made is the OP is looking for opinions regarding reliability and customer service. Many of the brands from the bigger companies do not offer the level of customer service that the ID brands do. Another thing to consider.
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I think that this statement is untrue. It may be true when MSRP values are compared, but it's definitely not true when sales are factored in. Online retailers regularly sell B&M brand subs at big discounts, and in these cases, it's not hard to find B&M brand subs that produce better sound than their ID-brand counterparts.

I'll agree that ID-brand subs at a given price point, MSRP or sale price, almost always have output and extension advantages.

As an installer I have seen some great subs from the major league players but at what they sale for almost always I can find a sub from an ID that will meet or beat those specs for the same price even at dealer cost a lot of the time.
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As an installer I have seen some great subs from the major league players but at what they sale for almost always I can find a sub from an ID that will meet or beat those specs for the same price even at dealer cost a lot of the time.

See, this is where we agree--ID brand subs can be found at most price points that have better output and extension. However, the poster asked whether they always sound better. This is where I say "no."

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What do you think about this? I have read a lot of stories online about this company not honoring warranties.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehghVNyic4k
Paradigm Canada sucks. Customers outside USA or Canada stay away from this brand. Paradigm will not honor international warranty.

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anyone here international who had problems?
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