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I currently have the LFM-1 EX although it is a good subwoofer I don't think it is loud enough according to my needs and can't produce chest pounding bass in my room. I was thinking of upgrading to a VTF-15H but I am not quite sure if it would be worth it given the price difference and hassle of selling the LFM-1 EX. Is the VTF-15H better in sound quality and can it produce chest pounding bass? Does it also go lower than the LFM-1 EX?

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How Big is your room?

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The VTF-15 will have higher SPL and will dig deeper with more authority. However, you should probably get to the root of the problem before making another purchase. Often times, a subwoofer's inadequacy is secondary to the room rather than the subwoofer itself.

I would measure your frequency response first, and make sure that's optimized. If you have a couple of nulls, then getting a more powerful subwoofer will not fix your problem.

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I see that it also has barely 350 RMS so is it really better? My friend has 3000W RMS Subs in his car and it barely cost him $2000. I think home audio is sort of a rip off because there are not many competitors, what do you guys think?
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I see that it also has barely 350 RMS so is it really better? My friend has 3000W RMS Subs in his car and it barely cost him $2000. I think home audio is sort of a rip off because there are not many competitors, what do you guys think?

Bet you he doesn't even get near 100 watts . Try putting his sub in your room see how that goes!

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6000 cu ft

Oh...that's pretty big... now either go dual ex's for more consistency or...more output from the vtf15

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Although cars are smaller than rooms hence greater SPL but still his is unbearable and awesome. I bet if I demo LFM-1 EX to him he would LHAO. What do you mean by consistency? I am not fully happy with LFM EX Sound Quality I was thinking of upgrading to VTF15 for better SQ and greater SPL. So does the VTF15 not have better SQ than LFM-1 EX??
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Although cars are smaller than rooms hence greater SPL but still his is unbearable and awesome. I bet if I demo LFM-1 EX to him he would LHAO. What do you mean by consistency? I am not fully happy with LFM EX Sound Quality I was thinking of upgrading to VTF15 for better SQ and greater SPL. So does the VTF15 not have better SQ than LFM-1 EX??

Well what do you mean by sq? Are you expecting your ex to sound like a car set up?

Consistency from chair to chair. Different spots in the room will receive a different freq response.

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Although cars are smaller than rooms hence greater SPL

Smaller? That's like saying a marble is smaller than a baseball, whereas there is a significant difference in scale between the two. Even an SUV might only have a couple of hundred cubic feet in it. Your room has 30 times more space than that for a sub to pressurize.

So if you want serious pressure, start thinking more money. Research the JTR Captivators. Check out this video:


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6000 cu ft

That's a pretty big room... I'm not sure if even a single VTF-15 will do it for you.

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I see that it also has barely 350 RMS so is it really better? My friend has 3000W RMS Subs in his car and it barely cost him $2000. I think home audio is sort of a rip off because there are not many competitors, what do you guys think?

Amplifier power ratings do not tell the entire story. The VTF-15 is a large ported subwoofer. Because this is a very efficient design, it does not require a lot of power. There are plenty of ID competitors out their and IMHO, the Hsu VTF-15 is very competitively priced.

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Although cars are smaller than rooms hence greater SPL but still his is unbearable and awesome. I bet if I demo LFM-1 EX to him he would LHAO. What do you mean by consistency? I am not fully happy with LFM EX Sound Quality I was thinking of upgrading to VTF15 for better SQ and greater SPL. So does the VTF15 not have better SQ than LFM-1 EX??

Frequency response is a significant contributor to "sound quality". Because frequency response is room dependent, the perceived sound quality will differ in different rooms, and will also differ in different seating positions within the same room.

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Oh...that's pretty big... now either go dual ex's for more consistency or...more output from the vtf15

Agreed... I would argue that room that size will likely require one or two JTR Captivators to get the effect the OP is looking for. But that would of course require a significantly more money.

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oh...that's pretty big... Now either go dual ex's for more consistency or...more output from the vtf15

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The Ryhmik FV15 or FV15HP would be a better choice in that size room and a pair of them even better.

The FV15 seems to be a step up from the HSU in output AND extension.

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Or diy subs with uxl18 drivers

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Or a couple of CHT 18" subs with a powerful amp.

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Avoid giving money to questionable companies or those that sell untested products. Go for twin LFM-1EX subs, on sale they are the best deal out there. If you have to get 4, they would fill any space!
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Smaller? That's like saying a marble is smaller than a baseball, whereas there is a significant difference in scale between the two. Even an SUV might only have a couple of hundred cubic feet in it. Your room has 30 times more space than that for a sub to pressurize.

So if you want serious pressure, start thinking more money. Research the JTR Captivators. Check out this video:


Are you sure those arn't Gremlins? Very cool.
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Or a couple of CHT 18" subs with a powerful amp.

+1. There's good buzz in a couple or three threads on their forum from guys using the VS-18.1s.
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With 6,000 cubic feet you should try your EX in a nearfield arrangement. That means as close to you as possible and no more than 4 feet from the listening position. That way you aren't relying on the sub pressurizing the entire 6,000 cubic feet.

It costs nothing to try nearfield placement and it is highly recommended by several companies.
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With 6,000 cubic feet you should try your EX in a nearfield arrangement. That means as close to you as possible and no more than 4 feet from the listening position. That way you aren't relying on the sub pressurizing the entire 6,000 cubic feet.

It costs nothing to try nearfield placement and it is highly recommended by several companies.

For sure. Nearfield makes a HUGE difference. I was trying to achieve good pressure in my semi-open space, and at one point I was trying out a three subs arrangement.

Then I moved one of them nearfield and that alone made enough difference and I was able to go back to one sub.

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