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Thanks to another member who posted this in another thread.

Go here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882269026&Tpk=energy%20s10.3

After you put the sub in your cart enter the code ENE621 you should end up with a delivered price of $169.99.

The S10.3 has an enviable frequency response:

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Wow, that's a heck of a good price!eek.gif
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What kind of impedance do the speaker level inputs on a sub like that have?

I have a pair of speakers on an older HK HT receiver at home that all the DSP is burned out. Only the left/right front channels work. No subwoofer out, either. Still sounds great, though.

I'm wondering if I couldn't wire the S10.3 in series with the speakers themselves into the L/R channel outputs?

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I was leaning towards a BIC 412, but this price probably seals the deal for the S10.3
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What kind of impedance do the speaker level inputs on a sub like that have?
I have a pair of speakers on an older HK HT receiver at home that all the DSP is burned out. Only the left/right front channels work. No subwoofer out, either. Still sounds great, though.
I'm wondering if I couldn't wire the S10.3 in series with the speakers themselves into the L/R channel outputs?

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I know what the back of the S10.3 looks like, but that doesn't answer my question wink.gif

Just wondering if anyone knows what the impedance is for high level inputs on a sub amp like that.

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Just wondering if anyone knows what the impedance is for high level inputs on a sub amp like that.
Energy might know... wink.gif

-- Edit --
Did a quick Google of S10.3 +impedance and no-one seems to refer to it.
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There is some discussion on this sub in the cadence 15 thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1415471/cadence-15-review/0_50#post_22158944

I'm not sure what the appeal of this sub is aside from price.

Somebody help me out. Spyboy, what the heck in enviable about that frequency response. It's 20dB down between 30hz and 20hz!! (93db to 73dB) Yuck. Max SPL at 20hz = ~85 db. Lamesauce.

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Save your money a bit longer and get a sub capable of decent 20hz playback.

Sounds like you might have too much high end gear and have lost perspective. Saving up from $170 to $500 is more than a "bit longer" for some people, and more than a "bit" more than they want to spend.

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would it be worth buying 2 of these to have a dual sub setup or to just buy a better sub in the 400-500 range?
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The Sound & Vision measurements of the S10.3 do not show the 5dB bump at 30Hz you pointed out in the Cadence thread you linked... Perhaps that's an artifact of HT Mag's measurement technique?

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anyway, i dunno about the measurements taken by either magazine, but for $170 i wouldn't expect a 20hz spl monster biggrin.gif

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Save your money a bit longer and get a sub capable of decent 20hz playback.

Sounds like you might have too much high end gear and have lost perspective. Saving up from $170 to $500 is more than a "bit longer" for some people, and more than a "bit" more than they want to spend.


agreed to a point, but saving up $300 for a Klipsch RW-12D isn't too much for anyone paying $200. And the Klipsch is pretty flat to 22hz. Most any enthusiast who buys $200 sub is in the upgrade race in short order. Many folk who buy a 500-700 sub are content for years!

BIG difference.

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I'm inferring the threadcrapping troll is unimpressed by the value of this deal.
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agreed to a point, but saving up $300 for a Klipsch RW-12D isn't too much for anyone paying $200. And the Klipsch is pretty flat to 22hz. Most any enthusiast who buys $200 sub is in the upgrade race in short order. Many folk who buy a 500-700 sub are content for years!
BIG difference.

Yeah. But the Klipsch RW-12D is $500 right now, and we don't know when it will be $300 again and if it will be $300 again. For $170 at this moment, this week, the S10.3 is a great deal compared to alternatives.

Meanwhile, there are first time sub buyers who will never be convinced to buy a $500-$700 sub. It takes buying that first sub, listening to it in the home, and then imagining what could happen with a better sub. Without any perspective, they don't know how to want more.

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^^^^^^
Most people need to learn the hard way, but the only real loss is cash...... The Klipsch RW-12D is $300 now, so if you didn't buy the 10.3, its like getting the Klipsch RW-12D for only $130 !! Yeah, this logic is from the real world math class most missed;)
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cel4145,


All are entitled to our own opinions - but I don't agree.

Here's how it boils out in my mind.

Average Joe enthusiast buys a $200 sub, (or even a normal price $300 sub) They are 'happy" to have the 'improvement' in sound when compared to no sub, but from the first moment they've heard better at the theater, at a friends house, whatever. Depending on their personality or interest they already know they will likely need or want to upgrade at some point.

Average Joe enthusiast buys a $500-$750 sub (heavily weighted towards the $750 + side). Average Joe is very impressed. Given their average, small room, they've likely never heard better in a theater, or at a friends house. They are satisfied until they update the rest of their system or hear better at some future point. Often times this takes years for an upgrade, if ever. Many times they never revist the subwoofer forums because they are satisfied or even come back to say their $600 Outlaw is the best thing they've ever heard and they don't know how any sub could be worth the improvement in price over what they have now. etc.

That's a big difference in responses and from what I've seen - its typical.

By the way, the Klipsch RW-12D has been on sale about every other week or two for $300 - $350 dollars at newegg for nearly the last year.
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http://slickdeals.net/newsearch.php?forumchoice%5B%5D=9&q=Klipsch+RW-12D&showposts=0&archive=0&firstonly=1


It was a $700 sub and was middle of the pack when compared directly with other $700 subs in 2007 in the sound and vision shootout when compared to SVS, Velodyne, HSU, and Outlaw competitors -- all very respectable competitors.
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article/shootout-five-mid-price-subwoofers

The Klipsch certainly isn't the end all, but it's a darn good deal at that price.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1390563/klipsch-rw-12d-omnimic-frequency-response-graphs/0_50


There were a couple people at the 2012 KC meet who thought the Klipsch subs sounded better than some of the actual entries that cost significantly more.

I count myself among the many who followed the cheap sub to nice sub upgrade path. For a long time around here there used to be guys who advised skipping the cheapies and doing it 'right' the first time. I now fall among those ranks. The evidence is easily seen if you think about it. Thread after thread after thread.


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a threadcrapping troll? --- get lost man. I've learned a lot from this community over the years and given plenty back as well. My interest is to help here, and provide some balance to the other side of this purchase option. I guess there's a first for everything and I believe you are the first to call me a troll in this forum. I see from your post history you are in the market for a sub right now, and considering an S10.3 among others in hopes of upgrading from a sony 12". Fine. Instead of calling me a threadcrapper and ignoring my advice, perhaps you should pay some heed. I've heard multiple dozens of all manner of subs in the last couple years. Hosted two subwoofer meets, and attended a third. I really enjoy this hobby and am engrossed in it. That's not the definition of a forum troll. If there's a high end sub frequently discussed on this forum - I've made it my business to hear it. why? Because I have a real enthusiasm for subwoofers. I'd recommend seeing if there is anyone in your area with some quality subs and see what all the rave is about.

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I don't agree.
Here's how it boils out in my mind.
Average Joe enthusiast buys a $200 sub, (or even a normal price $300 sub) They are 'happy" to have the 'improvement' in sound for about a year, but from the get go they've heard better at the theater, at a friends house, whatever. Depending on their personality or interest they already know they will likely need or want to upgrade at some point.
Average Joe enthusiast buys a $500-$700 sub (heavily weighted towards the $700 side). Average Joe is very impressed. They've likely never heard better in a theater, or at a friends house. They are satisfied until they update the rest of their system or hear better. Often times this takes years for an upgrade, if ever. By the way, the Klipsch RW-12D has been on sale about every other week or two for $300 - $350 dollars at newegg for nearly the last year. It was a $700 sub and was middle of the pack when compared directly with other $700 subs in 2005 in the sound and vision shootout when compared to SVS, Velodyne, HSU, and Outlaw competitors -- all very respectable competitors.
I count myself among the many who followed the cheap sub to nice sub upgrade path. For a long time around here there used to be guys who advised skipping the cheapies and doing it 'right' the first time. I now fall among those ranks. The evidence is easily seen if you think about it. Thread after thread after thread.

I don't disagree. But I will reiterate that that there are many people who need to get that first budget sub and see what it's like before they'll be convinced to spend more money on a sub. Moreover, there are people for whom $500 to $700 is a burden, and $200-$250 is all that they can really afford to spend in the next six months or a year (e.g., I have a neighbor right now who is a line cook in a restaurant, and the S10.3 would be a good choice for him considering his income). Or they might never get WAF approval to spend that money before hell freezes over wink.gif

So you are arguing something different. I'm arguing that in this <$250 price range, the S10.3 is an excellent choice. Your argument is about holding off for spending more money to get better output, and I make that argument sometimes, too. But it is a different argument.

However, you will notice that I am NOT one of those people who recommend dual S10.3s when the are $225 a piece. In that situation, I agree that someone should just wait because a $450 budget is very close to getting solid low 20hz extension, and someone has already indicated a willingness to lay out a good bit of cash. And I also repeatedly argue on the Energy owners thread that someone who just went out and spent $800-$1000 for a pair of Energy RC-70s and another $500 for the center and rears should make a similar quality investment in their sub and avoid the S10.3 and other budget subs. But that's also a different situation because it's clear that the buyer has the money to spend more but does not realize the relative value of getting a better sub that is of the same quality as the rest of the 5.0 set that they just bought.

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The movie soundtrack is not like music, the sub has a easy job, just blow the roof off , and everyone is very happy... Music with a sub in the mix is another story and one needs to do their home work. Music is were a sub can make or break everything. Movie sound tracks just have little reference to life, a car door slam has the same impact as a nuclear blast, really:rolleyes: But most people have a good judgement when it comes to music...
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By the way, the Klipsch RW-12D has been on sale about every other week or two for $300 - $350 dollars at newegg for nearly the last year.
Proof:
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Your exaggerating a little. The special does disappear for a month at times. But it did go on sale this weekend as part of a 24hr special today wink.gif

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the only problem with this sub is that the people who would benefit from it the most....the people who using micro sats and need a smallish potent sub, could be running sats that need to be crossed over at 100Hz or more.

I do agree with the argument that the Klipsch is a no brainer to choose for its sale price of $300, it's just a better home theater sub, but at the same time, the Energy is a great deal as well I think it would make a good small room sub for a secondary system.

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the only problem with this sub is that the people who would benefit from it the most....the people who using micro sats and need a smallish potent sub, could be running sats that need to be crossed over at 100Hz or more.
I do agree with the argument that the Klipsch is a no brainer to choose for its sale price of $300, it's just a better home theater sub, but at the same time, the Energy is a great deal as well I think it would make a good small room sub for a secondary system.

The funny thing is that the 10.3 rolls off steeply passed 80z and micro small sats need 120 / 200 hz if being played at mid / loud volumes, so the 10.3 design is less than ideal. To small to keep up with big speakers, and with its very limited 100-200hz output that needed to work with small / micro sats speakers, the 10.3 looks like a dud on paper...
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That means muddy and dosen't play well with others... Reading between the lines wink.gif
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Ummm...not quite. wink.gif I was going to say that the first review states that the S10.3's upper -3dB point is ~110Hz, and the S&V review says the AVR's crossover was set to 60Hz. Which, IMO, means the S10.3 isn't exactly a "dud on paper"...or in real life, either. YMMV, of course. smile.gif
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Overall the 10.3 is not bad for the money, most newbies could do worse. The point being, why spend 170, when 300 will get you the last sub you'll ever need, unless you turn your HT into a full blown hobby...
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The point being, why spend 170, when 300 will get you the last sub you'll ever need ...
Several years ago, I picked up a minty-mint S10.3 for each of two buddies of mine for their budding 5.1-channel HT set-ups. To this day, they still have those S10.3s in HT set-ups that haven't really changed and with which they're still very happy. As far as they're concerned, the S10.3s were, in actual fact, the "last subs they'll ever need". That's why spending ~$200 on an S10.3 isn't always a bad idea. smile.gif
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