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It's done. Pulled the trigger on a HSU VTF-2 MK4. On sale, shipped to the house for $582. Best deal going. I did some good searching on the board and it's a popular budget choice. So for the price of what the Klipsch and Deftechs are going for approx $500, I got this instead. way more sub for the money.


I'll post up when I get it and set it up. With the money I saved vs going with the bigger VH-15 deal I'm going to wall mount my TV and use the top shelf of the tv stand for my center channel, give it a height lift.

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Bravo... Good choice. :-)

 

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^Thanks. Can't wait for it.

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Got it last night. Set it up this morning. took some tweaking as always, but I'mr running it with 1 port plugged and EQ 2. I put the subs volume to about 20% and Audyssey is turning it down a few db's. But then I run the sub about 2-3db hot. Have not been able to watch a movie yet. I spent most the day insalling my wall mount tv bracket. But I did listen to the test CD and the new linkin park CD on it and it really does sound good. Some things that stood out to me:

1- when you turn the subs Xover off and set the AVR LFE Xover to say 80, it does not run right. I have the AVR LFE on 80hz and had to turn the subs Xover ON and set it to 80hz also. MUCH MUCH Better.

2- the Red LED on the rear is bright. When the room is dark it's super bright. I may look into putting a piece of electrical tape on them or something.


I ran the test CD a few times and man does this thing get down low. I couldn't even really hear anything and the dishes in the kitchen cabinets were rattling heavily. unreal. I couldn't imagine the 15" deal. I'm barely using what I have.

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Nice... :-)

How is that new Linkin Park CD? They are my favorite band and I didn't even know they had some new hotness out!

 

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There is an LFE crossover setting on your AVR. That is for the .1 track in 5.1 and should be left at 120hz. That track was designed for sub effects.

There are other crossover settings for the individual speakers and the sub that affect the 5.0 in the 5.1. People often set those at 80hz as a general number for each speaker so that the sub takes over the lower frequencies.

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One more thing. Set the crossover on the sub to bypass and leave the crossover all the way up on the sub. Your receiver will crossover the sub and speakers properly for you. Let it manage it because the receiver can do it better.

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Ok, so let me get this right. Set the AVR LFE to 120Hz. Turn the subs xover off and leave the knob turned all the way. My sub's Xover only goes up to 90hz. I figured I couldn't go any higher than that on the AVR LFE's setting.

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I just looked at your setup manual. Yep. Set the Crossover Defeat Switch to Out. You don't actually have to turn the crossover switch up to 90 then, as the crossover is being bypassed. I just do it out of habit in case I accidentally unbypassed the crossover.

Also, make sure you don't have your front left, right, or center set to "full band."

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What is your ceiling height? Standard 8 feet? We have a 20x20x8 room that includes dining and kitchen floor space as there are no walls separating them (save for the half wall/cabinets) and am looking at a new sub for my setup. Got a Yahama RX-V867 with PolkAudio Rti8's/Csi5 fronts but used a JBL sub leftover from a JBL speaker kit (SiSAT160? or something like that). Its a 10" and you seem to get what I want, bass that can be felt. The room i'm working with is a bit larger than what most people here seem to have so getting first hand accounts isnt easy.

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^Boogerbomb- I have a typical FL great room floor plan. Large open family room that goes into the kitchen and eating area. 20 x 18 in the carpeted area. Kitchen is pretty big also... 15 x 20? I was himmin and hawing over to get what I did or the bigger 15" HSU sub and after setup and only using about 20% of the throttle... glad I didn't buy any bigger. Would of been almost double the money and a bigger box in the family room. This sub is sick. The glasses in the cabinets rattle and you can barely hear the bass. I just can't believe how low Audyssey sets the sub. Now that I have my TV on the wall, and moved my center channel up about 18" I'm running only the sub +3db. Everything else is to the level Audyssey sets. I"m running my front towers and center on 80hz. Surrounds on 90hz. Audyssey picks the front towers and center up at 40hz, but I think the center sounds better at 80, so I set the towers at 80 also to match.



^Cel - What should I have my towers set to? 40hz like Audyssey picks up or 80hz? My center gets picked up at 40hz also but I set it to 80hz too. My surrounds get picked up at 90hz and I leave it at that. I really need to understand how the AVR deal with the Xover settings....


EDIT: did some reading on Auyssey's website. Believe I should turn my Subs filter off (out). And set the AVR LFE crossover setting to 120hz. Run XT32 again. Then bump my front towers and center from 40hz that Audyssey sets to 80hz. Leave the rears at the 90hz Audyssey picks them up at. Click the subwoofer level up +3db for my personal preference and should be good. I picked up some centiment over at Audyssey's site that grotesque large front towers and center channels are pointless. So long they get down to 80hz solidly. So seems like big front towers are only good for 2.1 music listening maybe.

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Yep. 80hz for your towers and center is good. Even though you can go lower, many people like to take the burden of producing the low bass off the receiver and the main speakers.

If your receiver said 90hz for the surrounds, then you should not go lower. Audyssey's recommended crossover setting is typically where it feels the low frequency roll off of the speakers, and Audyssey will also not apply EQ filters for the speakers below that. You can always use what Audyssey sets or go higher (whatever sounds best to you), but you should never go lower.

As for running your subwoofer channel a little hotter (higher) by a few db, many of us do the same. Audyssey attempts to set the subwoofer channel level where you get the smoothest integration with the speakers. Many of us like a little extra bass than that biggrin.gif

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Cool. Good deal. And no, I don't go lower than what Audyssey sets for my surrounds. I leave them at 90hz. One last question though.... Does Audyssey set the LFE crossover? Seems like that always goes back to what I had it set to before I run XT32. I think I ready somehwere that is one Xover that is not adjusted by Audyssey. Guessing I should get it to the 120hz prior to running Audyssey?

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Leave the LFE crossover at 120hz. That is for the .1 track in 5.1 audio for movie soundtracks, and it is meant to go to the subwoofer. It carries subwoofer specific bass effects.

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Research the SVS PB12-NSD before buying the SuperCube. Here is a review: http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/subwoofers/pb12-nsd. I'd bet on the SVS to be the better sub.

Another vote for the PB12-NSD subwoofer.
I'am the proud owner of dual PB12-NSD's.
AWESOME sub!

Here's a video review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7giBDezifY

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- After running Audyssey, make sure speakers are set to small. Often the receiver resets it to "Large" or "Full". You want small for all your speakers, unless you listen to lots of 2 channel music.
- LPF of LFE in your receiver should be set to 120hz.
- Set crossover for speakers to 80hz to start with (you can set it lower or higher if you prefer)
- Subwoofer placement is key. Typically a front or rear corner of the room is a good starting place. Recommend you try the subwoofer crawl test if you can to find the best placement option.
- I know with my VTF-15H, it actually sounded better after a week or so of usage.

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^Boogerbomb- I have a typical FL great room floor plan. Large open family room that goes into the kitchen and eating area. 20 x 18 in the carpeted area. Kitchen is pretty big also... 15 x 20? I was himmin and hawing over to get what I did or the bigger 15" HSU sub and after setup and only using about 20% of the throttle... glad I didn't buy any bigger. Would of been almost double the money and a bigger box in the family room. This sub is sick. The glasses in the cabinets rattle and you can barely hear the bass. I just can't believe how low Audyssey sets the sub. Now that I have my TV on the wall, and moved my center channel up about 18" I'm running only the sub +3db. Everything else is to the level Audyssey sets. I"m running my front towers and center on 80hz. Surrounds on 90hz. Audyssey picks the front towers and center up at 40hz, but I think the center sounds better at 80, so I set the towers at 80 also to match.
^Cel - What should I have my towers set to? 40hz like Audyssey picks up or 80hz? My center gets picked up at 40hz also but I set it to 80hz too. My surrounds get picked up at 90hz and I leave it at that. I really need to understand how the AVR deal with the Xover settings....
EDIT: did some reading on Auyssey's website. Believe I should turn my Subs filter off (out). And set the AVR LFE crossover setting to 120hz. Run XT32 again. Then bump my front towers and center from 40hz that Audyssey sets to 80hz. Leave the rears at the 90hz Audyssey picks them up at. Click the subwoofer level up +3db for my personal preference and should be good. I picked up some centiment over at Audyssey's site that grotesque large front towers and center channels are pointless. So long they get down to 80hz solidly. So seems like big front towers are only good for 2.1 music listening maybe.

Thanks for the info. Still agonizing over the SVS or HSU. Sometimes I wish we didnt have a choice lol.

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Thanks for all the setup help guys. I kind of figured this speaker would have some kind of break-in period as most moving things do.

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- After running Audyssey, make sure speakers are set to small. Often the receiver resets it to "Large" or "Full". You want small for all your speakers, unless you listen to lots of 2 channel music.
- LPF of LFE in your receiver should be set to 120hz.
- Set crossover for speakers to 80hz to start with (you can set it lower or higher if you prefer)
- Subwoofer placement is key. Typically a front or rear corner of the room is a good starting place. Recommend you try the subwoofer crawl test if you can to find the best placement option.
- I know with my VTF-15H, it actually sounded better after a week or so of usage.
Enjoy!
This caught me off guard, the sub just woke up and decided to unleash the bass in the room.

Enjoy your HSU op, I know I do. I own the 15H in a 17 x22 room and this sub handles it with ease even at a tick above the 9 o'clock volume setting, this sub is ridiculous!

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