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I'm a newb, so sorry for what is probably a dumb question. I am considering the HTIB Onkyo 9400thx system and comparing it to piecing speakers together myself, including the BIC F12 sub. This question pertains to the two subs and their respective frequency range.

The Onkyo sub has a frequency range of 20hz -100hz

The BIC sub has a range of 25hz - 200hz

My question is which is more important, a wider range or a range that goes lower. I am guessing it depends on what the sub will be used for, which in my case is home theater, sports games on tv, and music listening. I know that to be THX certified, the sub needs to hit 20hz or lower, which the Onkyo sub does but the BIC sub does not. Thoughts?
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The Onkyo sub has a frequency range of 20hz -100hz
The BIC sub has a range of 25hz - 200hz
My question is which is more important, a wider range or a range that goes lower.

Typically a subwoofer is used to create frequencies from 100Hz and lower, so performance up to 200Hz is not critical.

That being said, you have to take many manufacturers claims regarding frequency range with a grain of salt. I'd be shocked if any HTIB sub could deliver anything resembling decent output down to 20Hz.
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It must though, right? Since the Onkyo system is THX certified?
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It must though, right? Since the Onkyo system is THX certified?

No. doesn't need to. Like the previous poster said htib subs are not going to go down to 20Hz. The certification more about money than quality.
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ok, thanks.

so what sub would you recommend for the following 7.1 system:

Onkyo txnr609 receiver
Pioneer fs-51 fronts
Pioneer c21 center
Pioneer bs-21 sides
Pioneer bs-21 rears

I was thinking of one of the following, but im open to other suggestions:

bic f12
energy s10.3
bic v1020

thanks
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ok, thanks.
so what sub would you recommend for the following 7.1 system:
Onkyo txnr609 receiver
Pioneer fs-51 fronts
Pioneer c21 center
Pioneer bs-21 sides
Pioneer bs-21 rears
I was thinking of one of the following, but im open to other suggestions:
bic f12
energy s10.3
bic v1020
thanks

How large is your listening room? What are you listening to with the subwoofer, primarily music or movies, or a mix of both? What are your size and budget constraints?

The answers to these questions will help guide a proper decision.
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size of the room is about 20x15 with about 7ft ceilings

a combination of music, movies, and sports games, probably 70% movies and sports and 30% music
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size of the room is about 20x15 with about 7ft ceilings

a combination of music, movies, and sports games, probably 70% movies and sports and 30% music

Hi Mg,

 

You have a good sized room, Used subs are a tremendous value.  I'd keep an eye on the used market in your area as shipping normally eats up a sub deal.  The BIC is highly regarded in that price range as is the Klipsch RW-12


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i switched my reciever choice to the denon 1912 which is a 7.1 vs the onkyo 609 which is a 7.2. with only one sub out now, i want to make sure i have good bass to fill the room completely. thanks
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I have no problem buying new and so far I like the BIC F12 and the Energy s10.3

I am up in the air on this because I like the BIC for the larger woofer size, but I like the higher power of the Energy. Thoughts?

The Energy also has a lower frequency range, but like discussed earlier, idk how much faith I can put in that.
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I have no problem buying new and so far I like the BIC F12 and the Energy s10.3

I am up in the air on this because I like the BIC for the larger woofer size, but I like the higher power of the Energy. Thoughts?

The Energy also has a lower frequency range, but like discussed earlier, idk how much faith I can put in that.

 

Take manufacturers power ratings with a grain of salt.

 

I like the PL-200 over them both for a couple more bucks.

 

Without measuring both subs or knowing the driver specs its hard to say definitively.  However in this budget its hard for a smaller woofer to out displace a larger woofer in the same price range.  My .02.


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from the searching i have done, the pl200 is quite a bit more than the f12 or s10.3, uless i am searching in the wrong place. i also will get some bass help from my front speakers, which are the pioneer fs-51
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I do like that PL-200, but I found a BIC vk12 for about the same price, how does it compare?
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IDK looks like the amps are very similar maybe the same.

 

Contact BIC and see what they say.


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just purchased a klipsch rw-12d from newegg, thanks for the help
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so after actually measuring my room, it is about 13x16x8 with 2 small hallways connected to it. will a single rw-12d be enough or should i look at getting 2 subs? i had decided on the denon 1912 for the receiver, but it is only a 7.1, so i would need to reconsider that as well. thanks.
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Hard to argue against two subs.

If your room is connected via hallway to other areas youll have to pressureize them too.

If you can find an AVR with the features you want dual sub correction is very valuable with a multi sub system.

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