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post #1 of 21 Old 07-19-2012, 07:58 PM - Thread Starter
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Hi there,
Anyone have this sub? Amazon is having a good deal on this right now: http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-Sub-12HG-Synergy-300-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B003VIWK0G/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

This is what I have going right now:
Room: 15x20 living room open to kitchen.
Receiver: Yamaha RX-V671
Speakers: 5 Speakercraft Aim5Three in ceiling. Yeah I know all in ceiling is advised against by most of you, but its the best way to go w/ my room set up.

Home Theater guy I'm working with is trying to steer me to:
Episode Cub sub8 - $300 (I've never heard of Episode and I'm not sure that size sub would be good for that size room)
Speakercraft vital v10 - $450 (not enough boom for the buck?)

What do you all think??
Thanks
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not sure about that, but I did see some klipsch powered subs at hh greg the other day. Maybe they have it to hear. check out best buy also. I saw some klipsch subwoofers today.
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Hay jtstot,
I used to own the Klipsch sub 12 its a ok sub for the money in my opinion.
It does play loud but it seems to over inflate certain frequencies giving it a boomy sound for music and sometimes seems like a one note wonder for movies.

I know new egg sometimes has the RW 12D on sale for the same price, I would recommend that sub instead but that's just my opinion.

I guess for the price it does a good job, its just rough around the corners.

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I have a 11.2 klipsche system but would not ever use a klipsche sub....they honestly are no good....terrible actually. I have used 3 and all suck compared to what you can get for similar $$$$. I love klipsche speakers but there subs are something to be desired.

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I have a 11.2 klipsche system but would not ever use a klipsche sub....they honestly are no good....terrible actually. I have used 3 and all suck compared to what you can get for similar $$$$. I love klipsche speakers but there subs are something to be desired.

Any suggestions on a good $3-400 sub? Opinions on the ones he is trying to talk me into? I can't find any reviews on them?
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A lot of people on this forum will want you to use svs or hsu subs. I am afraid of internet brands because I have no way of hearing them. Everyone brags about how food those two brands are though. They say that they are the best deals for the money. Maybe you would like the klipsch sub. Maybe best buy or hh greg would let u return it without a restocking fee to try out for a few days. If you don't like it return it. I think that the klipsch sounds fine, but I only listen to 2 channel music. A lot of these guys use it for movies, so not sure how good it sounds for that. I thought about buying a klipsch sub someday myself.
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A lot of people on this forum will want you to use svs or hsu subs. I am afraid of internet brands because I have no way of hearing them. Everyone brags about how food those two brands are though. They say that they are the best deals for the money. Maybe you would like the klipsch sub. Maybe best buy or hh greg would let u return it without a restocking fee to try out for a few days. If you don't like it return it. I think that the klipsch sounds fine, but I only listen to 2 channel music. A lot of these guys use it for movies, so not sure how good it sounds for that. I thought about buying a klipsch sub someday myself.
Just to give you a idea, I had a $1,000 klipsche sub and my $150.00 pioneer sub was better...I now have dual elemental deigns A5-350 wich are awesome....Internet subs are great, proven subs.

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does pioneer still make a lot of powered subs? I remember hearing a 12 inch pioneer powered sub playing a movie at service merchandise when they were in business. It sounded pretty good. It was only $400.00 bucks at the time I think. Rob are you a big fan of pioneer? I used to have a pioneer receiver and two 15 inch pioneer speakers that I used to love playing bob seger and fleet wood mac on.
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does pioneer still make a lot of powered subs? I remember hearing a 12 inch pioneer powered sub playing a movie at service merchandise when they were in business. It sounded pretty good. It was only $400.00 bucks at the time I think. Rob are you a big fan of pioneer? I used to have a pioneer receiver and two 15 inch pioneer speakers that I used to love playing bob seger and fleet wood mac on.
Not a fan of pioneer that much...I am a denon guy lol!! I would check out elemental design for the sub, you will not regret it!

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Just to give you a idea, I had a $1,000 klipsche sub and my $150.00 pioneer sub was better...I now have dual elemental deigns A5-350 wich are awesome....Internet subs are great, proven subs.

Not sure you want to use eD as the poster child for ID subs, unless you want to highlight how not to run a business... tongue.gif
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Home Theater guy I'm working with is trying to steer me to:
Episode Cub sub8 - $300 (I've never heard of Episode and I'm not sure that size sub would be good for that size room)
Speakercraft vital v10 - $450 (not enough boom for the buck?)

The Sub8 has an 8" driver, and your room is 15x20. Unless it has ceilings only 4-5 feet tall that much space will simply overwhelm the thing. I actually have a Speakercraft V12 I'm doing a review on at this very minute, and I can say that the V10 won't be sufficient either.

The RW-12d mentioned earlier seems to be liked by most for HT usage, but less so for music. A pair of Energy S10.3 subs is just a little above your budget, but would probably do very well in a room that size. Sometimes they go on sale for less, so if you have a bit of time to wait you might be able to get a pair for under $400.

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Not sure you want to use eD as the poster child for ID subs, unless you want to highlight how not to run a business... tongue.gif
Gotta give you that...had issues with there amps but I dont use those amps....I use O-audio. Yeah wait time was bad to but there product is good (sub design NOT the amp).

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this sub is on sale for $200 at Amazon right now. Is it worth that?
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Hi there,
Anyone have this sub? Amazon is having a good deal on this right now: http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-Sub-12HG-Synergy-300-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B003VIWK0G/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

This is what I have going right now:
Room: 15x20 living room open to kitchen.
Receiver: Yamaha RX-V671
Speakers: 5 Speakercraft Aim5Three in ceiling. Yeah I know all in ceiling is advised against by most of you, but its the best way to go w/ my room set up.

Home Theater guy I'm working with is trying to steer me to:
Episode Cub sub8 - $300 (I've never heard of Episode and I'm not sure that size sub would be good for that size room)
Speakercraft vital v10 - $450 (not enough boom for the buck?)

What do you all think??
Thanks
That is a cracker of a sub for $200. It was my very first sub 6 years ago. Though I got it for $480 in its days. Fantastic for movies with great output. A lot of ground shaking bass. Tuning frequency is around 30Hz and useful output down to about 25-26Hz. There is nothing below that. I remember I measured it once.

Cons
  1. Not great for music.
  2. This model is notorious for bad Bash amps giving in prematurely.
  3. No on-board eq; but this isn't a biggie if you have external eq capability.

Overall a nice sub for the asking price, IMO.

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this sub is on sale for $200 at Amazon right now. Is it worth that?
Absolutely. At $300-$400 I wouldn't recommend the Klipsch sub-12, but at less than $200 it's a beast for somebody in the market for a budget sub. Even a pair of these at $398 would be good if somebody had a room on the larger side, multiple seating positions and a tight budget. It's all in what you want to spend and what performance you want. ID subs entry level price is $500 (SVS PB-1000) and yes, a pair of those would be better in every way other than maybe mid-bass output, where the sub-12 is very strong. However, dual PB-1000's will cost you $950, more than double.

The only negative I've encountered with the sub-12, as well as a few other people, is that it can start sounding a little flabby over 80Hz. SO I really wouldn't recommend it for somebody with small satellite or bookshelf speakers where a crossover above 80Hz would be needed.
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How does the Klipsch compare to the Dayton Sub-1500?

I own the Sub-1500 and am looking for another sub
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I have the synergy 12hg and its ok, but very unsatisfying to listen to IMO. I also bought it on sale for $199, but now can clearly see I should have saved up and bought an ID sub like those recommended on AVS. So only a short time later I am now saving to get the PSA XS15se, which I hope will be a very good match for my particular room and listening habits.

Have you read the sticky thread "List of Budget Subwoofers"? Very helpful! I have learned a lot just reading the postings on this forum a lot of great people and advise. Best wishes on your search!
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I have the synergy 12hg and its ok, but very unsatisfying to listen to IMO.
Care to explain, how? What are your room dimensions? How did you set it up? Have an in-room FR? How high did you cross it? In which application did you find it lacking i.e. movies or music?

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Care to explain, how? What are your room dimensions? How did you set it up? Have an in-room FR? How high did you cross it? In which application did you find it lacking i.e. movies or music?
I have it set in wall entertainment unit solidly built floor to ceiling, behind TV (used to have rear projection TV) so now have room for subwoofer. Room is 17x17x12 open to 8x8x14 foyer opening to dining room on one end kitchen on the other both 12' ceilings. Beneath the TV and sub are 18 inch tall cabinets. I realize the sub being up off the floor, recessed slightly into a 3 sided enclosure, and large room are all bad. I have tried crossover of 80 and 100 no difference. Front and centers are Infinity P163s. Listen at -22 to -28 mostly movies/tv little music. When I read of key high impact scenes in movies, in my case, I have no sense of anything different like the sub skips over that part? It may be expecting too much of the sub?
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I have it set in wall entertainment unit solidly built floor to ceiling, behind TV (used to have rear projection TV) so now have room for subwoofer. Room is 17x17x12 open to 8x8x14 foyer opening to dining room on one end kitchen on the other both 12' ceilings. Beneath the TV and sub are 18 inch tall cabinets. I realize the sub being up off the floor, recessed slightly into a 3 sided enclosure, and large room are all bad. I have tried crossover of 80 and 100 no difference. Front and centers are Infinity P163s. Listen at -22 to -28 mostly movies/tv little music. When I read of key high impact scenes in movies, in my case, I have no sense of anything different like the sub skips over that part? It may be expecting too much of the sub?
Sounds like a bad set up and sounds like you are letting your entertainment center dictate where the sub is located. That's not good at all. You can take even a very expensive, impressive sub and slap it in a bad spot and it will sound underwhelming. Did you ever do a sub crawl? Sounds like you may need to go back to the drawing board with your room set up, that is if you want good LFE.
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I have it set in wall entertainment unit solidly built floor to ceiling, behind TV (used to have rear projection TV) so now have room for subwoofer. Room is 17x17x12 open to 8x8x14 foyer opening to dining room on one end kitchen on the other both 12' ceilings. Beneath the TV and sub are 18 inch tall cabinets.
That is collectively over 4200 cu ft of space you were trying to fill with one Sub-12 and that is way over its capacity. For that kind of space to fill, I wouldn't settle for anything less than at least dual Sub-12s. It's like expecting a single Rythmik FV15HP to pressurize over 10,000 cu ft of leaky space. Even Rythmik would fail to do that.

Also putting any sub on cabinets, is a bad idea. Your response must have been marred by resonance, and that too....... a lot of it. Even the best of the best are bound to fail if 1) placement is wrong 2) room size is larger than they can fill 3) not integrated correctly.

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