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I had either choice in mind. Both my Cambridge Minx and Paradigm Studio 10v5's will be in piano black/high gloss, so luckily, both are finished like that.

Here is the Energy:

http://www.amazon.com/Energy-ESW-M8-NA-1200-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B004TA8YNW/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics


Here's the SVS (ported and sealed)

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/sb12-nsd


I have my Minx speakers and wiring all bought and will be picking up everything tomorrow morning. The Studio 10's (music only) will be arriving in a few weeks or so.

I don't care about cost difference, just one that will match BOTH speakers the best, when I decide to switch from one to the other, from 2 channel music to 5.1 movie watching.

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The smallest speakers in the Minx series appear to be the Min 10 (which I assume are the speakers in question), with a bottom end of 140Hz +/- ?dB.

The Energy's LPF goes up to 200Hz; the SVS' LPF goes up to 150Hz. Assuming that the Min 10s do actually go down to 140Hz, both subs extend high enough to cross over with them.

The tiny (9" x 9" x 9") ESW-M8 has:
- an 8" driver + dual 8" passive radiators;
- a 300W RMS (1200W dynamic) amp; and
- a FR of 36-200Hz +/-?dB.

The SB12-NSD has:
- a 12" driver;
- a 400W RMS (800W dynamic) amp; and
- a FR of 23-270Hz +/-3dB.

I'd go with the SB12-NSD. smile.gif
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Both subs extend high enough to cross over with your smaller speakers.
The tiny (9" x 9" x 9") Energy ESW-M8 has:
- an 8" driver + dual 8" passive radiators;
- a 300W RMS (1200W dynamic) amp; and
- a FR of 36-200Hz +/-?dB.
The SVS SB12-NSD has:
- a 12" driver;
- a 400W RMS (800W dynamic) amp; and
- a FR of 23-270Hz +/-3dB.
I'd go with the SB12-NSD. smile.gif

So would both subwoofers also cross over with the Paradigms which are far from tiny?
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So would both subwoofers also cross over with the Paradigms which are far from tiny?
Yes. When it comes to crossing speakers over w/ a sub, smaller speakers are usually more difficult to pair up because the sub's LPF (or "crossover") may not extend high enough to blend with the speakers relatively high bottom end.

Speakers with better extension (like the Studio 10s' ~62Hz +/-2dB) are generally not a problem, since most (if not all) subs have LPFs that extend to at least 80-100Hz.
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Okay, this is still all very new and intimidating for me but thanks for your help. I will go and get myself the Energy sub then smile.gif
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i would easily choose the SVS over the Energy.There's a huge difference in the specs (the SVS goes deeper, louder, and should sound more linear and has been confirmed/measured to extend very well into the 150+HZ range where you need to blend with the Minx)

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i would easily choose the SVS over the Energy.There's a huge difference in the specs (the SVS goes deeper, louder, and should sound more linear and has been confirmed/measured to extend very well into the 150+HZ range where you need to blend with the Minx)

Minx 20's go from 120 Hz to 20 KHz. Is there a sub that goes into 120 Hz to blend better?
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Minx 20's go from 120 Hz to 20 KHz. Is there a sub that goes into 120 Hz to blend better?

Hi,

Despite the specs of the Min20/21's, Cambridge Audio still recommend that the subwoofer is set at 140Hz - I believe a few owners have had to set them up at anything between 150-200hz - there is a dedicated Minx thread that might be able to provide insight.

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Minx 20's go from 120 Hz to 20 KHz. Is there a sub that goes into 120 Hz to blend better?

Another option to consider is the Jamo C80 Sub. That supposedly goes up to 200Hz.

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Minx 20's go from 120 Hz to 20 KHz. Is there a sub that goes into 120 Hz to blend better?

One thing about small/tiny speakers, even if you can get away with running them at the lowest possible crossover, it's often wise to choose a higher frequency to give back some headroom to the speakers. I have small speakers that could actually blend well at 50Hz, but I found that blending at 80Hz works better as I offload some of the deep bass to the sub. This means less distortion and better dynamics.

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One thing about small/tiny speakers, even if you can get away with running them at the lowest possible crossover, it's often wise to choose a higher frequency to give back some headroom to the speakers. I have small speakers that could actually blend well at 50Hz, but I found that blending at 80Hz works better as I offload some of the deep bass to the sub. This means less distortion and better dynamics.

Okay, I see. Would you recommend 140Hz or 150Hz for the Minxes?
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