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post #31 of 50 Old 07-30-2012, 10:42 AM - Thread Starter
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Let's see: You have modified Sierras and you are a perfectionist. The Rythmik's are known for their exceptionally clean sound due to the Rythmik Servo.
Highly regarded people like Curtis Chang have used Rythmik for years with his Ascend speakers. Curtis is Volunteer Moderator of the Ascend Acoustics Forum.
Also, Rythmik subs are sold by Ascend (from whom you bought your speakers). So, Rythmik seems to be the logical choice.

Yep .... thinking about calling them up and getting that extra discount as my Sierras-1 are being built today.

Go Rythmik F12 or F15 ? I don't think I need F15 even though it's just $100 more.

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Yep .... thinking about calling them up and getting that extra discount as my Sierras-1 are being built today.
Go Rythmik F12 or F15 ? I don't think I need F15 even though it's just $100 more.

Your choice, you mentioned relatively low volumes, the F12 should do the trick, but somehow the F15 woud make my mouth water for $100 smile.gif
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Your choice, you mentioned relatively low volumes, the F12 should do the trick, but somehow the F15 woud make my mouth water for $100 smile.gif

haha, I was cheap to spend $800 for the CMT350 Ascend speakers a year ago and now I am about to hit $3K. Hundred bucks here, hundred there. :-) What does one get extra with the F15? Realistically please.

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You will get more headroom and some more output. Overall it will fill the room better but it is a larger box.

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haha, I was cheap to spend $800 for the CMT350 Ascend speakers a year ago and now I am about to hit $3K. Hundred bucks here, hundred there. :-) What does one get extra with the F15? Realistically please.

I'm not the expert on Rythmik subwoofers.

You should contact Curtis Chang, Forum Founder at Ascend Acoustics.

Here is a link that asks almost the exact question:

http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/showthread.php?t=5018
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What does one get extra with the F15? Realistically please.

From the Rythmik website:

The main difference between our 12" and 15" subwoofers are size and output. Both have the same amount of power. Due to the larger radiating area of the 15" driver, 3 dB more output on continuous signals can be achieved. Dynamic output for short bursts can be as much as 5 dB greater. For bass frequencies, a difference of 5 dB will sound almost twice as loud*.

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haha, I was cheap to spend $800 for the CMT350 Ascend speakers a year ago and now I am about to hit $3K. Hundred bucks here, hundred there. :-) What does one get extra with the F15? Realistically please.

You'll certainly get a couple more db of max SPL.

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got it. I don't need it. My room is about 1700 cubic feet. I think the F12 will be more than enough.

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Thought I'd chime in here. I have a pair of Rhythmik F12SE's and love them. They are tight with plenty of low frequency and in my opinion are more than capable for movies and certainly one of the best musically. And boy are they a visually beautiful compliment to my home theater system.
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Thought I'd chime in here. I have a pair of Rhythmik F12SE's and love them. They are tight with plenty of low frequency and in my opinion are more than capable for movies and certainly one of the best musically. And boy are they a visually beautiful compliment to my home theater system.

The "SE" .... that's the Special Edition that costs more or is it the Piano black finish. They got me a bit confused on these

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The "SE" .... that's the Special Edition that costs more or is it the Piano black finish. They got me a bit confused on these

All versions of the F12 Special Edition are in Piano Black and start at $999 plus shipping. If you want the anodized silver driver (instead of the anodized black), that's gonna cost you an extra $50 bucks.

To the best of my knowledge the difference between the silver driver and the black driver is purely cosmetic.
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got it. I don't need it. My room is about 1700 cubic feet. I think the F12 will be more than enough.

For $100 I would most certainly grab the F15! A couple of db gain, plus you avoid always wondering what if and wanting to upgrade, especially if you think you'll have this sub for a long time (and potentially in a larger room).
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For $100 I would most certainly grab the F15! A couple of db gain, plus you avoid always wondering what if and wanting to upgrade, especially if you think you'll have this sub for a long time (and potentially in a larger room).

Another argument could be that if I ever need more sub I can get another F12 no? That way sound will not only be louder but having 2 subs somewhat apart will make the lows more accurate in a room. No?

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Another argument could be that if I ever need more sub I can get another F12 no? That way sound will not only be louder but having 2 subs somewhat apart will make the lows more accurate in a room. No?

As a self professed perfectionist, dual F12's makes complete sense. If you have read the material by Earl Geddes, multiple subs offer significant advantages. Of course Earl used 3 subs and the result was quite dramatic.

You're getting off to a good start with dual F12's smile.gif
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As a self professed perfectionist, dual F12's makes complete sense. If you have read the material by Earl Geddes, multiple subs offer significant advantages. Of course Earl used 3 subs and the result was quite dramatic.
You're getting off to a good start with dual F12's smile.gif

yea but now I am leaning more towards SVS sb12-nsd rather than Rythmik F12 ... unless someone tells me otherwise

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In that case have you considered dual SB12nsds? SVS offers them as a package for $1100 shipped which is around the same price as the F12 SE or F15.
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yea but now I am leaning more towards SVS sb12-nsd rather than Rythmik F12 ... unless someone tells me otherwise

While the SVS SB-12NSD is a fine subwoofer, the Rythmiks have a unique sound quality brought about by the quite effective Servo. The Rythmiks also dig deeper than the SVS SB-12 NSD. You simply can't get the same sound quality from the SVS pair. I will remind you again that Curtis Chang, Moderator of the Ascend Acoustics Forum has gone through a number of subs before deciding that Rythmik sounds the best, especially when you have speakers from Ascend Acoustics. Do yourself a favor and cut to the chase, and just talk to Rythmik about which model will best suit your purposes. smile.gif
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With the shared walls, I am not sure if you will ever really be able to tap into the full potential (output and extension) of some of the larger subs. The SVS SB12 is most likely more than enough. Review from a trusted reviewer:
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/subwoofers/sb12-nsd-subwoofer/svs-sb12-nsd-introduction


I noticed that I mostly need a sub for movies and just a little for music. I think it's 70% 30%. ..... should I now focus on Ported sub like PB12-NSD ??? or wait for Rythmik to come out with their new SV12 this September?

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The PB12-NSD would be an excellent choice if you want to emphasize HT usage.

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I noticed that I mostly need a sub for movies and just a little for music. I think it's 70% 30%. ..... should I now focus on Ported sub like PB12-NSD ??? or wait for Rythmik to come out with their new SV12 this September?
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Did you make a decision yet?

I am in a similar situation as you - I want to get a small sub (due to WAF) with the best performance.
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