The Subwoofer Recommendation by Pricepoint Thread. - Page 11 - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
 7Likes
Reply
Thread Tools
post #301 of 316 Old 08-07-2014, 07:12 AM
Advanced Member
 
DekPM19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Pooler, Ga
Posts: 669
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by Archaea View Post
any additional comments/lists/udpates?
I have been looking at the Dayton 18" ho woofer. You can get the sealed flat pack & woofer for $320.00. When you look at data-bass I don't see anything that can touch it for the price. Archaea can you recommend anything over that for the price, I will say I may spend the extra and get the ported flat pack which is a little bit more. Also do you know if you can run that woofer with 2 of them off of one channel of amp, so I can build 4 of them to run off of a ep 2500 amp.
Thanks
Allen
DekPM19 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #302 of 316 Old 08-11-2014, 02:14 PM
Member
 
Scottfox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Plano,Tx
Posts: 135
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by Archaea View Post
any additional comments/lists/udpates?
Can you update your sub list. The list on page 1 contains discontinued subs, from companies that are no longer around.
Dizzy49 likes this.
Scottfox is offline  
post #303 of 316 Old 08-25-2014, 01:57 AM
Advanced Member
 
Dizzy49's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Grand Junction, CO:USA
Posts: 811
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20 Post(s)
Liked: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scottfox View Post
Can you update your sub list. The list on page 1 contains discontinued subs, from companies that are no longer around.
I would also appreciate an updated list.

Sean Hull

Denon 3808ci | PS3 80Gb | Harmony One | Toshiba XA2 | Samsung 61" PN60E6500EF | HTPC with HDMI

Dizzy49 is offline  
post #304 of 316 Old 08-27-2014, 11:21 AM
Senior Member
 
Y2KFirehawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Saucon Valley, PA
Posts: 356
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dizzy49 View Post
I would also appreciate an updated list.
Agreed! Tuning in.
Y2KFirehawk is offline  
post #305 of 316 Old 09-04-2014, 09:32 PM
AVS Special Member
 
shadyJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 7,149
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 446 Post(s)
Liked: 634
XTC put out some CEA numbers for a couple new subs in this audioholics preview article. If the CEA numbers for the 3X12 is accurate, that subwoofer is now playing with the big boys with respect to price/performance- especially when you factor in foot print.
shadyJ is online now  
post #306 of 316 Old 12-05-2014, 01:11 PM
Advanced Member
 
willscary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: east central wisconsin
Posts: 550
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked: 29
I read all of these lists, shootouts, etc and I never see anything about a subwoofer that has been going strong for nearly a decade with minor power and driver upgrades...the Rythmik F25. This is an outstanding subwoofer!
willscary is offline  
post #307 of 316 Old Yesterday, 09:57 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
Archaea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 6,647
Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 761 Post(s)
Liked: 891
Quote:
Originally Posted by DekPM19 View Post
I have been looking at the Dayton 18" ho woofer. You can get the sealed flat pack & woofer for $320.00. When you look at data-bass I don't see anything that can touch it for the price. Archaea can you recommend anything over that for the price, I will say I may spend the extra and get the ported flat pack which is a little bit more. Also do you know if you can run that woofer with 2 of them off of one channel of amp, so I can build 4 of them to run off of a ep 2500 amp.
Thanks
Allen
You are correct. Price to performance is phenomenal on these flat packs.

Unless you are:
A. going to utilize many (>4)
B. placing nearfield
C. have a small room to fill

I will pretty much universally recommend a ported to 20hz cabinet over a sealed setup for a single or dual 18" build. I have this to say about sealed vs. ported. From direct, and detailed experiences with both.
Bought four sealed 18" cabinets on a wild hare - Direct me to a driver setup at least competitive or superior to JTR Captivators...


If you go ported (or even sealed) you'll need some mechanism to provide EQ. When I was using an EP4000 amp I used a Behringer mic2200. It worked well. You could do the same. It provides and HPF filter, and two PEQ channels. If you can afford a new amp I can't say enough good things about the Behringer iNuke DSP 3000 or DSP 6000. Dynamic EQ, HPF, Voltage limiting, 8 PEQ bands, any feature you can shake a stick at.

"Without subs it's just background music - with subs it's the main event!"
Archaea's Theatre Room
2011 KC Sub Shootout
2012 KC Blind Sub Shootout
My Subwoofer Recommendations by Pricepoint
Archaea is online now  
post #308 of 316 Old Yesterday, 10:04 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
Archaea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 6,647
Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 761 Post(s)
Liked: 891
Guys I updated my list in the second post. Unfortunately it was mostly deletions of subs that no longer exist (Klipsch RW-12D, Epic Empire). I haven't heard, experienced many of the newest models yet.

I changed my recommendation for $3k from "JTR S2 or JTR Orbit Shifter" to only JTR Orbit Shifter. That Orbit Shifter sub is almost in a class by itself - of all the subwoofer gear I've heard, I'd probably take it first. Sealed subs need multiples to be worth it for any bass enthusiast engagement, IMO. In the link I posted above I commented how I'd clearly take my former JTR ported captivator pair over five of my sealed UM18-22 subwoofers properly powered. I think eight of my sealed beat the JTR ported caps, but four or five = no, and the vast excitement for me on the sealed is from nearfield effect, where I can finally experience the effect of subsonic ULF - whereas it's lost when subs aren't placed nearfield unless you have a small room, or excellent boundary gain, or a wooden suspended floor.



Here's a prompt for anyone else to add their list if they want to throw their 2cents into the act. I'll link their recommended list in the first thread like I've done with the others.

"Without subs it's just background music - with subs it's the main event!"
Archaea's Theatre Room
2011 KC Sub Shootout
2012 KC Blind Sub Shootout
My Subwoofer Recommendations by Pricepoint
Archaea is online now  
post #309 of 316 Old Yesterday, 03:57 PM
AVS Special Member
 
shadyJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 7,149
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 446 Post(s)
Liked: 634
Some other changes you will want to make:
The Outlaw LFM-1 EX is no more. Outlaw just cleared out their stock to make room for the Ultra X-12.
The Hsu VTF3 mk4 is also being phased out, although there are still some in stock. Being phased out in favor of the VTF3 mk5, which looks to be a massive performer at $900 shipped, easily the champ there.
The Rythmik FV12 has been discontinued in favor of the Rythmik LV12r, which is $569.
The base Submersive is now $2700 not including shipping.
shadyJ is online now  
post #310 of 316 Old Yesterday, 04:05 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
Archaea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 6,647
Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 761 Post(s)
Liked: 891
@shadyJ


Thanks for the news...I just clicked the links to others lists --- somehow (maybe in the forum owner change/update?) the list links weren't right anymore. I'm updating those links too.


Your list here too: Post 244
The Subwoofer Recommendation by Pricepoint Thread.

Last edited by Archaea; Yesterday at 04:17 PM.
Archaea is online now  
post #311 of 316 Old Yesterday, 04:14 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
Archaea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 6,647
Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 761 Post(s)
Liked: 891
Do the others care to update their recommendation lists?
@Gorilla83 - Post #45
@JimWilson - Post #76
@RanaKabir - Post #84
@RMK! - Post # 94

Last edited by Archaea; Yesterday at 04:17 PM.
Archaea is online now  
post #312 of 316 Old Yesterday, 04:26 PM
SeƱor Member
 
RMK!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: 95608
Posts: 6,081
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 374 Post(s)
Liked: 413
Quote:
Originally Posted by Archaea View Post
Do the others care to update their recommendation lists?
@Gorilla83 - Post #45
@JimWilson - Post #76
@RanaKabir - Post #84
@RMK! - Post # 94
I think I am good with my original recommendations (dual OS's are hard to beat). Since I am now in a sense sub-less, it is unlikely I will have additional empirical data to add.

HToM

"Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science?"
RMK! is online now  
post #313 of 316 Old Yesterday, 04:37 PM
AVS Special Member
 
shadyJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 7,149
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 446 Post(s)
Liked: 634
Quote:
Originally Posted by Archaea View Post
@shadyJ


Thanks for the news...I just clicked the links to others lists --- somehow (maybe in the forum owner change/update?) the list links weren't right anymore. I'm updating those links too.


Your list here too: Post 244
The Subwoofer Recommendation by Pricepoint Thread.
Lol, I had some nice things to say about PSA and even recommended a product of theirs. I should have waited for the measurements. That feels like a lot longer time ago than it actually is.
shadyJ is online now  
post #314 of 316 Old Yesterday, 09:16 PM
Advanced Member
 
DekPM19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Pooler, Ga
Posts: 669
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by Archaea View Post
You are correct. Price to performance is phenomenal on these flat packs.

Unless you are:
A. going to utilize many (>4)
B. placing nearfield
C. have a small room to fill

I will pretty much universally recommend a ported to 20hz cabinet over a sealed setup for a single or dual 18" build. I have this to say about sealed vs. ported. From direct, and detailed experiences with both.
Bought four sealed 18" cabinets on a wild hare - Direct me to a driver setup at least competitive or superior to JTR Captivators...


If you go ported (or even sealed) you'll need some mechanism to provide EQ. When I was using an EP4000 amp I used a Behringer mic2200. It worked well. You could do the same. It provides and HPF filter, and two PEQ channels. If you can afford a new amp I can't say enough good things about the Behringer iNuke DSP 3000 or DSP 6000. Dynamic EQ, HPF, Voltage limiting, 8 PEQ bands, any feature you can shake a stick at.
Thanks for the information
Allen
DekPM19 is offline  
post #315 of 316 Old Yesterday, 09:42 PM
AVS Special Member
 
JimWilson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Somewhere in New Joisey
Posts: 4,797
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 288 Post(s)
Liked: 440
Quote:
Originally Posted by Archaea View Post
Do the others care to update their recommendation lists?
@Gorilla83 - Post #45
@JimWilson - Post #76
@RanaKabir - Post #84
@RMK! - Post # 94
Done.

If you take yourself too seriously expect me to do the exact opposite
JimWilson is online now  
post #316 of 316 Unread Today, 07:54 PM
AVS Special Member
 
jbrown15's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Vancouver B.C.
Posts: 6,611
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1255 Post(s)
Liked: 1204
Quote:
Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post
Lol, I had some nice things to say about PSA and even recommended a product of theirs. I should have waited for the measurements. That feels like a lot longer time ago than it actually is.

You recommended a PSA sub? Who are you and what did you do with shadyj?...lol
jbrown15 is online now  
Reply Subwoofers, Bass, and Transducers

Tags
Subwoofers , Monoprice , Bic , Klipsch Rw 12d 12 Subwoofer Each , Hsu Vtf2 Mk4 , Seaton Sound Submersive H P

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off