Originally Posted by carp
As to how the SVS subs sound for music, I thought the Ultras sounded a lot like my old SVS subs (I had a pci 20-39 cylinder and a dual 12 sub that I don't remember the model) in that they just didn't sound "lively", they just sounded a little (no offense, all IMO) boring. For movies I was impressed but with music I didn't get into it until we combined the Yamaha pro-style sub and even then I thought the Captivator sounded better for music.
Eh... it's all opinion and I'm sure some prefer the SVS for music.
On the subject of hot bass - I've tried and tried to listen to my subs level matched and I always cave and go back to hot subs. It's just so boring!! It's not boomy either when I run them hot, it just gives more punch/feel/full sounds than when they are flat.
Luke you told me once it takes 2 weeks for the brain to get used to a change (such as listening to level bass). Maybe my problem is I can't make it any where close to 2 weeks before I go back to running the subs hot.
When we had the blind speaker GTG at one point I asked some of the guys how hot they thought the bass was and they thought it sounded matched but it was actually 10 db hot!
Here are some quotes I have taken from the second links in my post 189. I highly advise other to reads those threads with the links. Good stuff.
These two posts nail it for me.
"Sound preference and sound quality are different things.
A flat frequency response is the Reference for sound quality. There are an infinite number of sound preferences, but only one reference.
When comparing sub sound quality, if you aren't comparing from a reference point, then the comparison doesn't really make sense.
Typically, when people make comments about how this sub has better SQ than this sub, they are comparing from their own sound preference, not sound quality reference (flat frequency response). In fact, I would go on to say that most have never even heard a true flat frequency response, let alone remembering how flat' sounds and comparing it with another sub.
So I guess I'm back to one of my questions, given that we'll likely never have the time or tools to get the correct environment to make a valid sound quality comparison, does it even make sense to make compare sound quality between subs or should you look to other characteristics of the sub that help indicate that it has the capability (flat response, headroom, output, extension, etc.) to have good sound quality?"
"Subjective preference has no place in a discussion of what defines subwoofer SQ.
House curve, which has bled into home audio from pro sound, is necessary to adjust the live sound in a "house" (the venue) to human hearing non-linearity across the seating area.
When reproducing recorded source, the "house curve" is already applied by the recording process. Whether someone prefers the low end distortion of a post source house curve or the high end distortion of harmonic distortion, or the entire bandwidth distortion of running the subwoofer output 'hot', or the distortion resulting from a truncated bandwidth (early roll off at either end), it's all distortion and has nothing to do with subwoofer SQ.
What's needed is a frame of reference. If, for example, every day for 30 minutes you had a capable player set up an upright bass and wail the same riffs, then after a week of that you popped in a disc of the same riffs and played it at the same playback level with any of the above 'preferred' distortion profiles, you would immediately hear the distortion.
Likewise, a subwoofer system should be capable of being set up to a flat frequency response at the LP with inaudible noise (which is what I prefer call it vs distortion as it encompasses everything from driver mechanical self noise to rattles from the room) across the entire bandwidth. Afterward, one can feel free to distort the presentation nearly any way one prefers, but he will always have a reference to refer to and to better describe his distortion preference after a quick comparison."
Bass heads want to hear bass, even if its not what the recording should sound like. I just want to hear it close to reference, how it was designed and intended to be heard. After re calibrating my brain, its weird because now even turning up the bass a couple db over where I run it now sounds off now for music, movies, dish... my "preference" has become more like "reference".
So in that sense somebody comparing supposed sq running subs 10-12db hot is listening to an entire different audio track than someone listening at the industry standard of reference. But if you listen to boring music...