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I just got a set of the Klipsch Quintet III's and I am looking for a sub for these. I came across the Bic F12 but say on amazon someone saying it didn't work well with small speakers. Any suggestions?
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I have tried it with small speakers and it gets quite boomy. The quintet has a pretty high crossover IIRC. Try the Energy S10.3. Might be a better match for a similar price. Newegg runs it for $199 a lot.

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What about the klipsch KW-100? Can get it for $150 right now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882780097
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For starters, you need to answer the basic questions. Uses, room size, budget, etc, etc.

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For starters, you need to answer the basic questions. Uses, room size, budget, etc, etc.

Main part of room where speakers are is 13 x 19. I just had a wall knocked out and the room is now connected to the 13 x 8 breakfast nook but that is behind the rear speakers. My budget is not a lot but I want to sound good if I can. I knew I would probably need a sub to make these quintets sound nice. I do have some older polk monitors I can hook back up if I need to floor space is limited. I will use for music, tv, and movies although I am not a huge movie person.
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As already pointed out, the Quintets need a sub that not only produces the very low frequencies, but also much of the midbass. So you are having to buy a sub that helps to do some of the work that more full range speakers normally do themselves.

The Energy S10.3 already recommended is a very good choice. The Klipsch KW-100 looks like it might be a good value at $150, based on the specs. Maybe not since specs are not always accurate. But the Energy S10.3 has been bought and confirmed as a good sub by many AVS members.

If you could swing it, I'd get the Jamo 650 at $250 if the coupon code is still good. A good 12" sealed sub like that with significant output and very low end extension would be an excellent choice to match with your speakers. See this review post for more info and link to the coupon code.

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If you could swing it, I'd get the Jamo 650 at $250 if the coupon code is still good. A good 12" sealed sub like that with significant output and very low end extension would be an excellent choice to match with your speakers. See this review post for more info and link to the coupon code.

I could probably swing but it doesn't look like the coupon is good anymore.
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So, what kind of specs should I be looking for? I don't understand what they mean or what I am looking for.
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If it were me, and I were trying to match a sub to those speakers on a budget, I would go with the Energy S10.3. It is a proven performer and very good for the price. My father in law has the same Klipsch speakers and they do not go very low at all. What that means is you will need a sub to fill in more of the mid range. Here is a quick example.

If you have speakers that will go down to 40hz, and you set the crossover on your receiver to, say, 60hz, the sub will handle everything below 60hz and your main speakers will do everything above 60hz (vocals, guitars, mid bass, etc. low bass and kick drums may be handled by the sub at this point). This is not exact, just an example. Mainly the "heavy lifting" is being done by the sub. Now say that your speakers only do down to 120hz (like the Klipsch sats you bought), your sub has to handle everything below 120hz (i.e. more midrange not just bass). Cheaper subs have a hard time with very low frequencies (LFE on movies) and upper mid bass can become boomy and muddy up the sound of your main speakers. Ideally you want speakers that go below 80hz (the standard THX crossover recommendation) because it is easier to blend the sub into the mix. If you want your setup to sound good, you are going to have to get a pretty good sub to fill in where those Klipschs are lacking. They will handle the highs fine, but you need something substantial to handle everything else. The Energy S10.3 is know to go deep enough and handle the mid range adequately.

If you are looking more at music usage over HT, a sealed sub tends to be a little tighter and punchier but doesn't did quite as deep for home theater.

Lava subs are known for having some nice mid range punch and wouldn't be bad either. The offerings from the big internet names on here (Hsu, SVS, Epik, Outlaw, etc) are probably going to be out of your price range.

Like I said, these are just examples. None of this is set in stone. There are many exceptions to what I have stated. Just some generalizations for you to consider.

We all have budgets and I totally understand that. If your budget is set, do some research and get the best bang for your buck. IMO, the nicer sub that you pair with those speakers, the much happier you will be.

Good luck in the search.

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If you are looking more at music usage over HT, a sealed sub tends to be a little tighter and punchier but doesn't did quite as deep for home theater.
I would generally agree that at this price point (and definitely not further up in price), the best subs for low extension will be ported, except for that Jamo SUB650. Check out the graphs in that review I linked to above.
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Lava subs are known for having some nice mid range punch and wouldn't be bad either.
However, they have poor low end extension. The Energy S10.3 would be much better.

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This a tough decision. Trying to decide if I should get that Jamo or wait for newegg to put the Energy on sale again. Don't want to wait real long though.
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Looks like it will be the Energy 10.3 as newegg as it on sale today.
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