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That's a Great Review!!! On what looks to be a solid product!!
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I'm never going to review anything again after reading that, great job. smile.gif That's as detailed as it gets.
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I'm never going to review anything again after reading that, great job. smile.gif That's as detailed as it gets.
Seriously! That looks as professional as it can get! lol

Great job! smile.gif
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Outstanding! PBC, does this mean you're unloading your DIY sub?

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Wow ... thanks guys. It was a blast. My review is probably more "technical" in nature, so read the other 2 reviews as well. I got a good kick out of the videos!
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Outstanding! PBC, does this mean you're unloading your DIY sub?

No,no. I'm actually getting an external 2 Channel DSP amp built for it by FunkAudio. The QSC RMX-5050, even after modding it with 2 different fans, is just too loud for my liking and I'm finding myself using it less and less now because the low drone of the fan drives me batty.

I have complete and utter overkill for my room with 3 subs in it as I'm finding out. But ... I'm sure I'll have a bigger room one day, and need 4 or 5 subs to fill it. wink.gif

 

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How many hours do you estimate you put into the review? This way you can divide it into what Gene might offer you to see just how much he's lowballing. biggrin.gif

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Difficult question. I ended up receiving the sub about 20 days late due to issues at the border. So spent a few hours (2-3?) setting up the template of the actual review as I knew which scenes I was going to use and music, as well as what I was going to measure and comment on e.g., driver, amp, packaging, etc). Another 2-3 hours or so on measurements (thankfully everything worked the first time around, though I did remeasure the sub on a second day to make sure everything was the same). The scenes didn't take long as I have them all one 1 or 2 discs. Proofing the review probably took the longest!

Got the sub on the 23rd, finished most of the review the following week with some polishing of it (and follow up questions for poor Ed!) the following week.

If you guys liked it, make sure you vote. My wife was just mentioning yesterday "hey, we could use a 4th subwoofer in the family room".

Actually, it was more along the lines of "you wrote that you 'enjoyed the time with the sub immensely'? You've never said that about me for God's sakes!". Or something along those lines. I tuned out as I was looking over, longingly, at the sexy gloss black finish of the SB13.
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Well, it was quite a good review and FWIW, the other reviews were also welcome additions. Overall, I thought the reviews put to shame efforts by various online web sites making some look like bumbling efforts. You got my vote and all I want in return is some Canadian maple syrup.

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Well, I have a friend who exports high quality Maple Syrup ... so .... cool.gifbiggrin.gif

 

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Very well done, I too think this is head and shoulders better than many of the pro reviews I have read.
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Without question, a sterling review!

I wonder how the SVS SB-13 Ultra will compare with the (currently vaporware), JL Audio E112. The E112 is slated with an MSRP of $1,700, however, with street pricing being somewhat flexible some discounting should be available. Let me hope this is clear: the regular price of $1,600 for the SB-13 Ultra is going to make for a very close contest.

The specs for the E112 are available here:


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I also wonder about the $1,099 HSU 84 pound ULS-15?

In any case, PBC did a simply wonderful job with his review smile.gif
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what are you going to do once you win that sub?
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WOW! Another stellar review PBC! cool.gif VERY nice job man!

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Without question, a sterling review!
I wonder how the SVS SB-13 Ultra will compare with the (currently vaporware), JL Audio E112. The E112 is slated with an MSRP of $1,700, however, with street pricing being somewhat flexible some discounting should be available. Let me hope this is clear: the regular price of $1,600 for the SB-13 Ultra is going to make for a very close contest.
The specs for the E112 are available here:
http://www.jlaudio.com/header/News/Press%20Releases/JL%20Audio%20E-Sub%20Powered%20Home%20Subwoofers:%20Precision%20Built%20in%20the%20U.S.A./885899?os=webgains&utm_source=webgains&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=webgains
I also wonder about the $1,099 HSU 84 pound ULS-15?
In any case, PBC did a simply wonderful job with his review smile.gif

It would likely compare quite well to the F112, so I'd imagine just as good with the E112. The "price" is the single real "con" of the SB13-Ultra. I'd have preferred to see it closer to $1299 or thereabouts. But the amp is quite powerful and the feature set of that amp is unmatched IMO. Though, how many people will need all those features is the question? The ULS-15 at $400 less is a tough competitor. I'd guess it would match the SB13 at 20hz and start to pull away above that by a couple of db. But it does seem HSU EQ'd that puppy to quite the low frequency to get it flat down to a very low frequency, possibly meaning the amp runs out of steam in the mid-bass range. It would be nice for Ricci to measure that sub.

 

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WOW! Another stellar review PBC! cool.gif VERY nice job man!

Thanks guys. I don't think it's a given that I will win. The other guys have done a great job, and added some more humour to their reviews which I'm sure is well liked. Different types of reviews for sure. But if you did like mine, vote!

To be candid, I'm not even sure what I'd do with it if I did win! I might have to consider finally selling the PB13.

Or, I guess, finally building out the basement with a dedicated theater room!? smile.gif

I do really like that little guy though. There's something about a small sub that can pound!

 

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I must have missed it, but where do we vote at PBC?

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In this thread...

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I enjoyed your review and am strongly considering this sub. You mentioned the HSU ULS-15 as a worthy competitor. Any other subs that you would consider that are as compact that can do a decent job in a larger listening area with near zero room gain? Here's my room situation, do you think that the SVS is the best choice?

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I enjoyed your review and am strongly considering this sub. You mentioned the HSU ULS-15 as a worthy competitor. Any other subs that you would consider that are as compact that can do a decent job in a larger listening area with near zero room gain? Here's my room situation, do you think that the SVS is the best choice?
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Thanks!

These all come to mind:

ULS-15
Rhythmik F15HP

The above two are larger and appear to be EQ'd to a much deeper frequency, so may offer more down low in rooms with no gain. But likely eat up amp headroom in the higher ranges.

Dual SB12NSD

JL Fathom F112 or 113, or their up coming E series which are said to offer pretty good performance at a lower cost than the F series.

I also think Funk Audio is coming out with some small sealed 15" subs shortly, may be worth shooting an email to Nathan?

Finally, If you'd consider DIY, a 2 cubic foot box from parts express, a TC Sounds 12" lms driver, and powerful amp and minidsp?

Pretty darn good performance....

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Thanks for responding, I am not interested in going the DIY route, and I really don't have space for more than one subwoofer. I have full size mains, so with an 80hz crossover I am not terribly concerned about the subwoofers response in the mid-bass area. I guess what I am most interested in is between the ULS-15, F15HP and SB13-ultra, regardless of cost, which gives the overall best performance for movies. I am nostalgic for the deep bass that I got from the SVS PC12 I sold when I bought this new house.
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May be a good idea, if you can, to wait a few weeks until Funk Audio comes out with their new 15.0? Could be a real contender here. Unless, of course, you can fit (budget and space wise) the 18.0, in which case, go with that case closed!

 

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Excellent review! And my vote is done. tongue.gif
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My vote was cast for pbc as well!

After reviewing the three reviews - I think pbc will find himself the owner of a new SB13 Ultra. Must have taken a LONG time to write. Your effort was obvious! Well done!

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Sure looks like Adam has a lot of backers on Audioholics....I'm a participcating member there but it sure smells like a buddies forum at last check in I hope that isn't the case....as I do like Adam, but come on!

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FWIW, not being an Audioholics member, not knowing anything about either of the reviewers, I cast a vote for PBC due to the depth and professional organization of the review.

Currently it's:

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Thanks Beeman. You could always register at AH, and post your thoughts in the thread and vote! I think I'm a member of about 10 different forums! smile.gif

I wish people were posting their reasons for voting for one person over another, if anything it helps me in knowing what people liked/disliked about a review so that if I was to review a subwoofer in the future, I could improve on the review to make it better. I'd love to be able to do CEA-2010 testing, but that's not in the cards anytime in the near future.

Another thing I was thinking of was Spectrum Labs screen shots, but tried that a while ago and couldn't get the software to work properly, plus I couldn't figure out how to get the software to accept a mic calibration file. Someone posted how to do this a while back but I've had zero time of late to look into it. Damn kids. biggrin.gif

 

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Thanks Beeman. You could always register at AH, and post your thoughts in the thread and vote! I think I'm a member of about 10 different forums! smile.gif

You're welcome as the kudos given are well deserved.

FWIW, I was able to vote without having to register. When I get the new subs installed and dialed in, for entertainment purposes, I'm look toward buying either an online analyzing program like XTZ Room Analyzer II or downloading a freeware copy of REW.

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A fancy pants bass boat would likely cost a heck of a lot more than XTZ as well! smile.gif

 

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