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I am looking for a new sub that is relatively small that will be good for 80% movies and 20% music. From the research I have been doing, these three subs seem to be the best in the small form factor group. Here is some more info on my room and equipment:

Room setup 16' x 13' x 9' -two solid walls, one with a large window and one wall with large (6') doorway opening to a hallway. Wood floors.

Speaker setup front Paradigm Studio 60’s v2, rears Paradigm Studio 20’s v2, Center Paradigm Studio CC

AV Receiver Pioneer 1018AH-K

I was hoping that someone could outline the pros and cons of each or at least give me a recommendation for my particular setup.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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The SVS SB12-NSD is relatively small (roughly 14" x 14" x 14"), relatively affordable ($649, shipped) and should outperform* the subs you listed.

(*I find questionable both GoldenEar's specs (1000 mystery watts and an unqualified 14Hz extension) and DefTech's specs (650 mystery watts and an unqualified 20Hz extension).)
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Another contender would be the Rumba 12 from Simply Sound Audio.

https://simplysoundaudio.com/Rumba_12.html

Jim Wilson tested this sub and the output and extension numbers appear more potent than the SVS SB-12 NSD. Of course, the Rumba 12 is larger at 16X 16 X 16. This sub is getting good press here on AVS. $649 or less delivered.
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Do you have any reason to choose a sub that small? Your speakers are relative beefy down low so adding a small sub like a DefTech is not going to add that much bass extension or headroom. A Supercube 2000 rolls off starting at 40Hz and won't have much output below 30Hz. You could probably cross over your speakers at 50Hz because all of them are pretty solid down to 50Hz

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Another contender would be the Rumba 12 from Simply Sound Audio.
https://simplysoundaudio.com/Rumba_12.html
Jim Wilson tested this sub and the output and extension numbers appear more potent than the SVS SB-12 NSD. Of course, the Rumba 12 is larger at 16X 16 X 16. This sub is getting good press here on AVS. $649 or less delivered.

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I was going to recommend you take a look at this one. I just bought one and it should arrive on Thursday. I'll give my impressions once I get some time with it. I have heard the Golden Ear Forcefield 4, and it was a bit underwhelming to me.
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I was going to recommend you take a look at this one. I just bought one and it should arrive on Thursday. I'll give my impressions once I get some time with it. I have heard the Golden Ear Forcefield 4, and it was a bit underwhelming to me.

All rooms are different, however, I don't recall anyone posting that they were not satisfied with the Rumba 12 smile.gif
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I apologize the front speakers I have are Studio 40's not 60's........I havent had them out of the box in years so I misstated the model.
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even with 40's, I would match it up with proven 12" sealed sub like the SVS SB or the Rumba as stated above. They are very solid performers that offer usable extension below 30Hz.

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I am looking for a new sub that is relatively small that will be good for 80% movies and 20% music. From the research I have been doing, these three subs seem to be the best in the small form factor group. Here is some more info on my room and equipment:
Room setup 16' x 13' x 9' -two solid walls, one with a large window and one wall with large (6') doorway opening to a hallway. Wood floors.
Speaker setup front Paradigm Studio 60’s v2, rears Paradigm Studio 20’s v2, Center Paradigm Studio CC
AV Receiver Pioneer 1018AH-K
I was hoping that someone could outline the pros and cons of each or at least give me a recommendation for my particular setup.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Dave
Hello Dave, one aspect of choosing a subwoofer is that really great subwoofers tend to be physically large. In many home theater set-ups, a big sub is no disadvantage, as it can be concealed in a cabinet or behind a screen. But if you prefer to go with a smaller cabinet subwoofer, the SC 2000 is extremely popular. It sells like crazy because it sounds really good and has tiny cabinet dimensions. Of course if you can go with a larger sub, you can get better (and deeper) bass. One reviewer recently called the SC 4000 "a spectacular bargain". But there is a size tradeoff. I hope this helps - best regards, Joe
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Hello Dave, one aspect of choosing a subwoofer is that really great subwoofers tend to be physically large. In many home theater set-ups, a big sub is no disadvantage, as it can be concealed in a cabinet or behind a screen. But if you prefer to go with a smaller cabinet subwoofer, the SC 2000 is extremely popular. It sells like crazy because it sounds really good and has tiny cabinet dimensions. Of course if you can go with a larger sub, you can get better (and deeper) bass. One reviewer recently called the SC 4000 "a spectacular bargain". But there is a size tradeoff. I hope this helps - best regards, Joe

With all due respect, customers who buy the SC 2000 tend to be unsophisticated folks who shop at Best Buy. Members here question both power output and extension claims, at least for the models below the Trinity and the Super Cube Reference.

I would probably opt for the Rumba 12 at $549 or the RSL Speedwoofer at $749 for those who value remote control. I'm sure you will hotly contest my recommendations, which is as it should be.

Also, Sound&Vision has never tested a product it didn't like. Given the fact that Def Tech has been the single largest advertiser in Sound&Vision for years, the "spectacular bargain" review is a given. Monumental conflict of interest.

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Thanks everyone for your posts. It looks like the SVS SB-12 NSD will be perfect for what I need.....not too big and good performance.
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I don't think you'll be disappointed with the SB12--it's a great sub.

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The 5 year full warranty is a really nice feature of SVS smile.gif
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You made an excellent choice!

I bought one less than six months ago and am amazed at its performance, given how relatively small it is. I have it paired with Paradigm Signature S2 V2 speakers, and get up from the couch after every listening session shaking my head and smiling. Even though mine is in a 2-channel-only application, I'm certain (convinced, actually) it will perform HT duties admirably for you.
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