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post #1 of 14 Old 09-21-2012, 10:35 PM - Thread Starter
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Primarily going to be used for HT.

Room is 22x13x8. It will be going with my Polk Monitor 60's, 30's and CS2

Here's my list at the moment:

SVS PB12-NSD
Outlaw LFM-1 EX
Rythmik VF12
HSU VTF3 MK4

I have a feeling I'd be very happy with any of these 4, but I don't necessarily know their strengths/weaknesses. There might also be some others out there that I haven't considered. Can anyone that knows more about these subs help me out?
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A sealed 15" option:

http://www.powersoundaudio.com/products/xs15
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That's not going to contend with the others at the lower frequencies though is it?
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That's not going to contend with the others at the lower frequencies though is it?

I pulled the PSA CEA-2010 measurements from their website which have not yet been verified from a 3rd party source AFAIK.

PSA:

•Ultra-low bass (20-31.5 Hz): 102.7dB
•Low bass (40-63Hz): 115.1dB

SVS PB-12nsd:

•Ultra-low bass (20-31.5 Hz): 96.4
•Low bass (40-63Hz): 106.2

I did the SVS PB-12nd measurements by hand so someone please verify.
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hmm. I might have to seriously consider this thing. I see they also have a vented sub for 50 dollars more. I hope to see some reviews on these things soon.
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I can't believe the 15" sealed from Power Sound is going to have more output then the PB12 from 20 to 30 hz, the port should be much more efficient than the 15" cone at that point. Above that point the PB12 is not hard to top, it is pretty short on mid bass. Of the four the OP listed I would go with the VTF3. The Rythmik sub is not available right now, the SVS sub just doesn't have much mid bass output, and the Outlaw sub is pretty much the same as the VTF3 except with smaller ports (and so chuffs easier) and fewer features. But the ported 15" from Power Sound would certainly have my attention as well.
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I really wish the PSA sub would get measured by Ricci. It really seems to be the clear winner in this price range, but there is not much out there from independent party measurements..
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I can't believe the 15" sealed from Power Sound is going to have more output then the PB12 from 20 to 30 hz, the port should be much more efficient than the 15" cone at that point. Above that point the PB12 is not hard to top, it is pretty short on mid bass. Of the four the OP listed I would go with the VTF3. The Rythmik sub is not available right now, the SVS sub just doesn't have much mid bass output, and the Outlaw sub is pretty much the same as the VTF3 except with smaller ports (and so chuffs easier) and fewer features. But the ported 15" from Power Sound would certainly have my attention as well.

Bigger enclosure, a robust 15" driver and more powerful amp with built in signal shaping, I would not be too surprised if those numbers are accurate.
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Spend $50 more and get the Power Sound Audio XV15 ported sub and be done with it.

3 - JTR 228's LCR (game room)
2 - DIY Sound Group V-8 Coaxials (game room)
4 - PSA Triax's (game room)
2 - SVS SB13+'s (living room)
1 - SVS SB12-NSD (bedroom)
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Here's my list at the moment:

SVS PB12-NSD
Outlaw LFM-1 EX
Rythmik VF12
HSU VTF3 MK4

I have a feeling I'd be very happy with any of these 4, but I don't necessarily know their strengths/weaknesses.

Of the graphs I've seen, regarding your listed choices, the best graphs I've seen were for the SVS, PB12-NSD. In this class of subwoofer, the PB12-NSD has the most focused energy, penetrating the lowest frequencies.

For smoother bass reproduction, If one can, one should buy a pair of subs as opposed to a single sub. And if one can't buy two at one time, they should make part of the future budget plans, allowances to purchase a second sub at a time and date in the near future, before adding or upgrading anymore gear.

Based on my research, we're currently budgeting for a pair of SVS PB12-NSD's to upgrade our existing subwoofer situation; Klipsch, SW12 II's.

Hope the above helps with your question.

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Spend $50 more and get the Power Sound Audio XV15 ported sub and be done with it.

Actually, you don't need to spend $50 more. The XV15 is $799 shipped. It is definately better than anything on that list.

3 - JTR 228's LCR (game room)
2 - DIY Sound Group V-8 Coaxials (game room)
4 - PSA Triax's (game room)
2 - SVS SB13+'s (living room)
1 - SVS SB12-NSD (bedroom)
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Actually, you don't need to spend $50 more. The XV15 is $799 shipped. It is definately better than anything on that list.

What do you mean by better, in what way?
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here's my two cents. I was looking at the HSU VTF3 my self for HT & music. I ran across articles of the PSA15. after much research comparing the two, I decided to go with the PSA15 ported sub. my deciding factors were the basch 500 watt RMS amp over the HSU smaller 350 W Rms. yes the HSU has a higher short term power of 1400w, but I'm of the old school belief that RMS power is a better standard than total peak power. The psa has no delivery charge. So both amps price out the same. From what I had read, I fill that once some comparisons come out on this sub it will come out tops in it's price range. so I decided to get the PSA15V. I can't give you any comparisons, none of my friends have any thing to compare this to. I will say that I'm happy with the performance of this sub. My sytem composes of an emotiva xp3, Wharfedale 10.1 speakers and a 12" ported non powered sub. I have a large open floor plan with 15' vaulted ceilings. I have not had a chance to test this sub with a THX movie yet, but the indications for this PSA15V are good.

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You could always make a sub you can have a killer sub at the price.As for the subs you are looking at the Rythmik VF12 and the SVS PB12-NSD are will liked.
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