Originally Posted by shadyJ
LOL those employees are full of it! You are correct, below a certain frequency bass is omnidirectional (80 hz, the most common crossover frequency for a sub). You do want to give both the woofer and especially the ports some room to move air, but any of these subs will have the clearance. The flooring won't have any effect on the sound unless it is flimsy and rattles, and it won't 'absorb the bass' (I'd love to know how they cooked up that one!)
I agree 100% with ShadyJ on this. I have a down firing SVS PC12-NSD... in a basement with berber carpet over concrete floors. I'll tell you now, if my bass is being "absorbed" I sure can't tell. Sounds like they are wanting you to buy from them and that is the excuse they came up with.
Just an observation.... the STF-2 is a 10" woofer and the SVS is a 12" woofer... you are correct that the prices are much different, the woofer size is the reason.
Between the 2 (SVS vs. HSU), I think the SVS is a better purchase.... but the price sure is nice for the Rumba 12
Dave, if I were you I would check Craigs List..... that is where I got my SVS. The seller was asking $550 for his PC12-NSD. I got the serial number from him and called SVS, it was confirmed that the sub was legit and it still had 1 year left on the warrany!! I ended up talking the guy down to $400!!! $400 for a sub like that, with 1 year left on the warranty was a steal for me, IMO.
EDIT... Was looking and the VTF-1 MK2 looks nice, it's a 10" woofer and you can either run it ported or sealed. Under $500 total for that one.
As far as your bookshelf speakers and center channel speakers.... from what I understand, about 70% of all your home theater sound will come out of your center channel speaker... DO NOT go cheap on that, it's the most important speaker you will have.
I say scrap the Pioneers. I'm gonna go waaay out on a limb here (and probably get crucified for it) and suggest a speaker that has probably never been spoken about on these forums
Cerwin Vega CMX-25C is that speaker. I have one right now in my basement and I ran my HT through it for over 2 years and it's an excellent speaker... you can get it for $199 pretty much anywhere. http://www.cerwinvega.com/home-audio/center-channel-speaker/cmx-25c.html
Found the CV CMX-25C for $139 here.... http://www.macmall.com/p/Cerwin-Vega-Home-Audio/product~dpno~8996919~pdp.hacdfab
My concerns with the cheap Pioneers is that the subs you are considering will overpower the poor things. That will not happen with the CV, not only will you be able to hear it, it will be pretty clear. Also, the Cerwin Vega VE-5M's will be better then the pioneer bookshelf speakers you listed. http://www.amazon.com/Cerwin-VE-5M-2-Way-Bookshelf-Speaker/dp/B000LSG09Q
If you get those CV's I told you about, not only will you get better speakers but you will also save $100..... you can add that to your sub budget