How high over your speakers do you turn your sub? - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 17 Old 11-13-2012, 10:21 PM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
JimShaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 668
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked: 83
I know this is very subjective but I am wondering how much higher in volume do you run your sub over the surround speakers?

Audyssey has set my front speakers around -6 and the sub about -7. I manually turn the sub up to about -2 making my sub about 4 points louder than the surround speakers.

What do you do?


m

8.3 Surround, protected by APC H15 & UPS BC750G
Speakers: SpeakerCraft: 6 AIM8 Fives & 2 TIME Fives used as Wides
Subs: SVS PB13-Ultra (1), HSU MBM-12 MK2 (2)
Samsung PN64F8500
Oppo 93, Denon 4311CI, Harmony 1100, 9 Noctua cooling fans, Darbee Darblet
JimShaw is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 17 Old 11-13-2012, 11:04 PM
AVS Special Member
 
edoggrc51's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Fontana, CA
Posts: 1,344
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked: 49
I run my subs flat (equal) for movies. For music I bump it up about 6db's.

Btw, you really cant go based of the Audyssey settings to determine what your levels are. You need to (at least) use an SPL meter or other measuring tools to level match your system.
edoggrc51 is online now  
post #3 of 17 Old 11-13-2012, 11:24 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Snowmanick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,542
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Liked: 106
I set my subs "equal" to my mains according to my Rat Shack SPL meter, so, IDK, ~2db or so hot based off of correction values. This is a slightly different (higher) level then Audyssey sets them on my 4311, but I don't really trust the level setting on my 4311.

~Nick

 

Augustine's Law: "The last 10% of performance generates one-third of the cost and two-thirds of the problems."

Snowmanick is offline  
post #4 of 17 Old 11-14-2012, 12:07 AM
Senior Member
 
bradymartin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: los angeles
Posts: 223
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 14
i do plus 5 decibles and itching for more.

why did you settle on -6 for the sub? i read over and over and over again that the best audyssey setting for sub should be +/- 3

i settled on -2.5 for sub (upped to +2.5 via denon 1712). front right and left are -1.5 and the other is -1.0 i think. ill have to look at it tomorrow now that you got me curious.

bradymartin is offline  
post #5 of 17 Old 11-14-2012, 05:15 AM
 
BeeMan458's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Magalia, CA
Posts: 8,374
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 801
Not sure what you guys are referring to as to setting subs over mains or speakers. ???

(We have a 5.2 speaker system)

We have the two subs level matched (63/64dB) with each individually measured at one meter with tape measure and Radio Shack, digital, sound meter. Combined, at the main listening position, the subs produce 69dB. At the main listening position, the combined two subs are set to the recommended 70dB standard which is +2dB over the original Audyssey XT setting. To obtain 70dB at LP, using the internal menu gain adjustments, the unit is currently set to -7.5dB, original Audyssey setting was -9.5dB. The center channel was bumped +2dB. All other speaker settings (mains and surrounds) have been left according to original Audyssey settings.

Is the OP asking, to what extent are we customizing speaker settings and what is our adjustment standard?

My understanding, at listening position, all speakers are suppose to be set to a 70dB standard using AVR provided pink noise.

Being that we're using two subs, I balanced the subs for equal output and then adjusted the combined sub output to 70dB. Our center channel was bumped a couple of dB for listenability. The gain for the mains and the surrounds have been left at their original Audyssey settings. Mains, center and surrounds have been left at original Audyssey set, large/small/LPF settings.

Is my above what the OP is asking about? ???

-
BeeMan458 is offline  
post #6 of 17 Old 11-14-2012, 05:15 AM
Member
 
Prochambers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Eastern United States
Posts: 45
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
I run my sub at around -5 db. I've run it hotter and then found with some movies that the bass was tooooooo overwhelming. I use my SSp-600 System Trims to take it down a notch or 2 if needed rather than adjust the main sub level in setup. Especially a movie like War Of The Worlds when the pods emerge from under the street. Oh my goodness, you talking about a house shaking experience!

"If you lend someone $20.00 and never see that person again, it was probably worth it!"
Equipment:
Classe SSP-600 Processor
Rotel RMB-1095 Amplifier
Pioneer PRO-151FD 60" Plasma
Oppo BDP-95 Blu Ray Player
Paradigm Studio 100 Fronts/Studio 40 Rears/Studio CC-450 Center
Mirage BPS-400 Subwoofer
Prochambers is offline  
post #7 of 17 Old 11-14-2012, 07:02 AM
AVS Special Member
 
eljaycanuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 5,092
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 44 Post(s)
Liked: 472
I run my subs 2dB hot.
eljaycanuck is offline  
post #8 of 17 Old 11-14-2012, 07:11 AM
Advanced Member
 
Dr. Spankenstein's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 700
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
The truth was stated above. You cannot deterimine how hot your subs are relative to the mains based on the trim settings that any auto-EQ system provides. You must use a SPL meter for that determination. I ALWAYS double check the levels after an Audyssey run.

That being said, I prefer flat (based on uncorrected RS meter), so that may equate to 3 or 4 dB bump. I'm unsure as to how off filtered pink noise would measure on an uncorrected meter. My belief was that filtered PN stopped at 30Hz.

This is for listening at -10MV for levels calibrated to 85dB at 0MV.
Dr. Spankenstein is offline  
post #9 of 17 Old 11-14-2012, 07:22 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Theresa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 2,430
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 50
I have a pre-pro with Audyssey XT32. I set my more capable (15", 4cf enclosure) sub several db louder than Audyssey suggests. I guess I just prefer louder deep bass.
Theresa is offline  
post #10 of 17 Old 11-14-2012, 08:27 PM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
JimShaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 668
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked: 83
I am trying to figure out what others are doing to see it what I am doing is in the ball game. Yes, I know all is subjective.

I have a SVS PB-13 Ultra as my main sub. I have it plugged down to 16Hz and crossover set at 50Hz,

I have two HSU MBM-12 MK2 mid bass set from 50Hz to 80Hz.

AVR crossover is set to 80Hz.

Audyssey sets my main in-ceiling speakers to a -5. I turn up the center to a -2 on Audyssey's scale.

The main sub was set at -7 but I had it turned up to -2. Tonight I turned the main sub up a little further to "0" which is 5dB over the main speakers.

In your opinion is that about right OR can I go up further without distorting anything while watching Blus????

8.3 Surround, protected by APC H15 & UPS BC750G
Speakers: SpeakerCraft: 6 AIM8 Fives & 2 TIME Fives used as Wides
Subs: SVS PB13-Ultra (1), HSU MBM-12 MK2 (2)
Samsung PN64F8500
Oppo 93, Denon 4311CI, Harmony 1100, 9 Noctua cooling fans, Darbee Darblet
JimShaw is online now  
post #11 of 17 Old 11-15-2012, 04:52 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Brian Fineberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,940
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 34 Post(s)
Liked: 451
its all subjective and how YOU like it. I personally have my speakers set to 75dbs and my sub to 85dbs with pink noise and a rat shack meter. this is AFTER audyssey. I only use audyessey to correct the speakers in room response. the levels I use my own measurements. This usually leads to 4dbs or so the sub being hot. YMMV

Panasonic 65VT30 | Denon x4000 | Emotiva XPA-5 | Emotiva XSP-1 | Emotiva DC-1 | PSB imagine B's |PSB image c5 | PSB B4's | DUAL PSA XS30 | OPPO 103 | minidsp
my HT gallery: http://www.blu-ray.com/community/gallery.php?u=240707

Brian Fineberg is online now  
post #12 of 17 Old 11-15-2012, 05:39 AM
Senior Member
 
Steveo1234's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 265
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 33
+4db.
Steveo1234 is offline  
post #13 of 17 Old 11-15-2012, 06:34 AM
AVS Special Member
 
shadyJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 6,355
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 70 Post(s)
Liked: 446
Depends on what I'm listening too. If it is a recording of a natural sound, ie some orchestral music or a vocals or something that has 'right' sound in real life, I like the FR flat. But if it is something that doesn't have a natural reference, like electronic music or some video game environment, or a nuclear explosion in a movie, I will run the bass hot.
shadyJ is online now  
post #14 of 17 Old 11-15-2012, 07:54 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Avliner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,061
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 14
What I've being doing so far - with great results - is to adjust the AVR's LFE-SW output at 0dB, no matter what Audyssey says.
This prevents to keep the AVR's LFE output level from overloading the inpupt stage of the SW, as well as to keep noise levels below audibility (got that tip a long while from Alan Loft, over at the Axiom Forum). Volume knob level is set by 10 a.m.

If I want to set or trim the SW level for whatever reason, I use the rear volume knob though (very seldom used, matter of fact).

Oh, BTW, my 7.1 system comprises 3 X LCR SVS - SCS-01's, + 04 X S-SB SVS SBS-01's and the heavy burden is managed by an SVS PB-10 ISD, being all speakers x'd over at 80Hz (small, @ 75dB).

Bottom line: no complaints whatsoever smile.gif

Regards, Chuck
Hold on tight to your dreams - ELO
Avliner is offline  
post #15 of 17 Old 11-15-2012, 09:36 AM
AVS Special Member
 
KidHorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Derwood, Maryland
Posts: 2,771
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 105 Post(s)
Liked: 175
Audyssey set my 2 subs to -11 and -9. Sounded too low to me so I added 4 to each and now they're -7 and -5.

I understand that the subs are supposed to blend. If you don't notice them at all, then they're set correctly. I want to notice my subs so I turned them up.
KidHorn is offline  
post #16 of 17 Old 11-15-2012, 10:42 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Jesse S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Toronto, eh?
Posts: 3,503
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Jesse S is offline  
post #17 of 17 Old 11-15-2012, 12:09 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Luke Kamp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Kansas City
Posts: 1,130
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Liked: 93
Here are my thoughts on it. Post #189 (read the links) and on. IMO FWIW yada yada

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1425179/the-subwoofer-recommendation-by-pricepoint-thread/180
Luke Kamp is offline  
Reply Subwoofers, Bass, and Transducers

User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off