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Size: I'll get the room dimensions 20x18 and a little over 3,000 cubic feet.

Use: 100% TV/Movies

Brands? Outlaw, HSU, SVS any others that I should be looking at?

I don't live close to any home theater stores, or places that sell higher quality stuff. The best I can get my hands on in my town are HTIB. There is a store about an hour from my house but they only have Paradigm and B&W subwoofers on display. I've seen reviews for HSU and SVS and watched Youtube videos on them. Just recently I looked into the LFM-1 EX and really liked the price!

Price wise, obviously I'd like to get the best bang for my buck. Under 1,000 shipped. Prefer to be lower so I can buy a few other items but am really wanting that quality bass that I can feel.

Currently running BIC Acoustech speakers (could be changing them all out soon).

Thanks for any help.


Also where would be the best place to buy any subwoofer (that you reccomend) and is there normally any "Black Friday" deals on these?
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Do you happen to live by any enthusiasts who will happily demo their equipment?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1354149/the-ill-demo-my-subwoofer-for-other-enthusiasts-thread/0_20


For $1000 range my favs are the Epik Empire, the HSU VTF-15H, and the Rythmik FV15HP in order of increasing price (and preference).

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Old 11-16-2012, 01:29 AM - Thread Starter
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Not really, I live about an hour from any decent size city (Olympia,wa).

I did see one guy that lived there but his subs were on a whole different level.

Out of what you posted, would any of the 2 I suggested out perform those? Staying close to the 1,000 ish price
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The Outlaw LFM-1 EX should be adequate for your purposes (i.e., possible slight overkill but very good). When the LFM-1 EX is on sale as B-Stock it is an exceptional value, especially with the free shipping.

Closer to your price range, you could also consider the Hsu VTF3.4. If I had $1000 to spend, I would seriously consider the Hsu VTF15h that Archaea recommended (which is closer to $1100 shipped).
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Is this room open to any other rooms?

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Is this room open to any other rooms?

It's the new built on living room (done before I bought the house). I wouldn't call it "open" to other rooms but my kitchen and a couple doors leading to my bedroom and hallway are attached. The kitchen is a galley style, so it doesn't take up much room.

*hope that makes sense. I can take a picture if it would make that much of a difference.
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Price wise, obviously I'd like to get the best bang for my buck. Under 1,000 shipped. Prefer to be lower so I can buy a few other items but am really wanting that quality bass that I can feel.

Based on your above, two recommendations. At the thousand dollar strike point (actually a bit more) a Hsu, ULS-15. It's wireless, small form factor and due to the Rosenut finish, high WAF.

At a bit cheaper, I'd go with a SVS, PB12-NSD. My opinion, it gets high technical marks for a sub of this price.

One last point, a consumer is best served by two subs for the smoothing of sound wave nulls, two subs provide for.
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It's the new built on living room (done before I bought the house). I wouldn't call it "open" to other rooms but my kitchen and a couple doors leading to my bedroom and hallway are attached. The kitchen is a galley style, so it doesn't take up much room.
*hope that makes sense. I can take a picture if it would make that much of a difference.
A picture would be nice if its not too much trouble but not necessary. If they are doors that you can close vs "doorways" where there is no door then you can close them when you are listening. If the kitchen has no door then you should really include that in the sq ft. This is helpful in trying to determine "how much subwoofer" you might need. The bigger the open space would determine how powerful a sub or how many you may need. I dont know all the technicalities, it is just common sense. I just dont want to see you spend $1000 for a sub when a $500 one might be fine. You said you may be upgrading the Acoustechs. I like the Acoustechs and some may disagree but it doesnt make sense to me to spend $1000 on a sub when you only have $500 or so in all the other speakers. I am pretty sure you said you wanted bookshelf speakers that all match for l/c/r that you can hang on the wall. If you can get away with 1 Klipsch rw 12d for $300 then that would leave you a lot more to upgrade your other 5 speakers with. Or just to be sure maybe get 2 rw's and still have $400 left. I dont know your budget though. Maybe to you $1000 for a sub is no big deal. But since the Acoustechs are budget speakers I assume you are not independently wealthy. I have said too much. Not trying to spend your money. Just trying to help.

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How would this stack up to the Outlaw Audio, Emotiva X-Ref 12? I like that it ships for free and is under 600 bucks.
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When I figure in the kitchen, should I measure to the cabinets or the wall?

When it came to buying a new speakers I went off best bang for my buck. I had Polks and the highs didn't get high enough, or clear enough. I really like the horn style tweeter in these and they have great sound. I could of bought a more expensive set, I just wanted to test out how I like the horn setup.

I am selling my old setup Polk Audio stuff for a little over 1,000. Thats how I came to that number. They were in my game room, and only really used them 2 or 3 times in there. Just for parties and stuff. I have someone who is wanting to buy my current BIC setup also but in Dec/Jan. Like I said, I live in a small town and when I buy something and people come check it out. They want it. So thats when I sell it to them and buy myself something new.
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Here is how the Emotiva fares vs the Outlaw: a direct comparison between a bunch of subs. Spoiler: the Emotiva gets wrecked. My advice is go for the Hsu VTF15h, that will blow away your friends and family for $1k. It will have substantially more output than the Outlaw sub.
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Here is how the Emotiva fares vs the Outlaw: a direct comparison between a bunch of subs. Spoiler: the Emotiva gets wrecked. My advice is go for the Hsu VTF15h, that will blow away your friends and family for $1k. It will have substantially more output than the Outlaw sub.

As much as I love my Outlaw sub, I'd have to agree. The Hsu VTF15h would really make an impression on you and everyone else. Start looking for the credit card. wink.gif

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How would this stack up to the Outlaw Audio, Emotiva X-Ref 12? I like that it ships for free and is under 600 bucks.
How would what stack up?

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When I figure in the kitchen, should I measure to the cabinets or the wall?
When it came to buying a new speakers I went off best bang for my buck. I had Polks and the highs didn't get high enough, or clear enough. I really like the horn style tweeter in these and they have great sound. I could of bought a more expensive set, I just wanted to test out how I like the horn setup.
I am selling my old setup Polk Audio stuff for a little over 1,000. Thats how I came to that number. They were in my game room, and only really used them 2 or 3 times in there. Just for parties and stuff. I have someone who is wanting to buy my current BIC setup also but in Dec/Jan. Like I said, I live in a small town and when I buy something and people come check it out. They want it. So thats when I sell it to them and buy myself something new.
Nothing critical for the kitchen. Best guess would suffice. Funny thing about these forums sometimes. When you come out of the gate with $1000 some people will just tell you to buy a beast whether you need it or not. After all it impresses the neighbors and it is always fun to spend someone elses money. If you are getting into 4000 sq ft or so with the kitchen you may be better off with 2 very good 12"ers instead of 1 audiophile elite class. You will get better coverage with 2 and minimize weak spots. Nearly everyone is 100% tv/movies. Is one more important to you than the other?

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When you come out of the gate with $1000 some people will just tell you to buy a beast whether you need it or not.

Expanding on your above in my below, a bit of Home Theater philosophy here:

In truth, most need, at minimum, two beasts in their sound system unless they're wanting anemic bass movie soundtrack sound reproduction. The question is not do they need a beast or if they need two beasts because in truth, the real question is how big of a beast can one afford? In the end, in the case of Home Theater and what's what with what, it all comes down to budget and to what extent one's budget will allow them to buy.

Remembering, ignorance is bliss and ignorant bliss is better than knowledgeable dissatisfaction. That being said, blissful satisfaction being the ideal, it's all about budget and to what extent can one dedicate their fiscal resources to this ideal; indulgence.

Budgets need to be set and then smashed if one expects satisfaction. If one wishes to be true to their budget, then one will have to accept limiting themselves accordingly. It's better to buy one large beast, to be added to a year down the road, than it is to buy two anemic beasts and be finished........only to later realize they're dissatisfied and in need of seriously upgrading their bass reproduction system, which they now wish they had done in the first place, at even more time and expense; the act of throwing good money after bad.

(Always buy equipment one or two steps above what you think is reasonable as nobody ever says; boy, I sure wish I had bought junk. Look at all the money I would have saved.)

If I were just getting started and didn't know anything, I'd pick up a pair of Klipsch, RW-12d's or a pair of Martin Logan, Dynamo, 700w's and be happy.

If I were just getting started and wanted to push my budget and improve on the above recommendation, I'd get a pair of SVS, PB12-NSD's and be very happy.

If I were just getting started and had the money, I'd get a pair of Hsu, ULS-15's and think I was a freaking genius.

So forth and so on, going up the fiscal ladder as again, it's about experience, budget and in the end, what a person's real expectations are as opposed to what the basis of their first budget is. Ultimately, FWIW, philosophically speaking, the goal is "smile factor" and how big of a smile one has on their face (satisfaction) at the moment when movie bass tracks are played at THX reference levels and you feel the bass.

Do with the above philosophical intervention as you will for other than wasted time reading my above, the price of the above philosophical ramblings was exactly $0.00 dollars. tongue.gif

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A bit of Home Theater philosophy here:
In truth, most need, at minimum, two beasts in their sound system unless they're wanting anemic bass movie soundtrack sound reproduction. The question is not do they need a beast or if they need two beasts because in truth, the real question is how big of a beast can one afford? In the end, in the case of Home Theater and what's what with what, it all comes down to budget and to what extent one's budget will allow them to buy.
Remembering, ignorance is bliss and bliss is better than dissatisfaction. That being said, it's all about budget and to what extent can one dedicate their fiscal resources to this ideal.
Budgets need to be set and then smashed if one expects satisfaction. If one wishes to be true to their budget, then one will have to accept limiting themselves accordingly. It's better to buy one large beast, to be added to a year down the road, than it is to buy two anemic beasts and be done with it.
If I were just getting started and didn't know anything, I'd pick up a pair of Klipsch, RW-12d's or a pair of Martin Logan, Dynamo, 700w and be happy.
If I were just getting started and wanted to push my budget and improve on the above recommendation, I'd get a pair of SVS, PB12-NSD and be very happy.
If I were just getting started and had the money, I'd get a pair of Hsu, ULS-15's and think I was a freaking genius.
So forth and so on, going up the fiscal ladder as again, it's about experience, budget and in the end, what a person's real expectations are as opposed to what the basis of their first budget is.
Do with the above philosophical intervention as you will for other than wasted time reading my above, the price of the above philosophical ramblings was exactly $0.00 dollars. tongue.gif
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Well said.

Thanks!

Regarding Home Theater, I've found subwoofers to be the most vexing and expensive enigma of all possible equipment choices.

All checks for exactly $0.00 dollars can be sent to...... biggrin.gif

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Nothing critical for the kitchen. Best guess would suffice. Funny thing about these forums sometimes. When you come out of the gate with $1000 some people will just tell you to buy a beast whether you need it or not. After all it impresses the neighbors and it is always fun to spend someone elses money. If you are getting into 4000 sq ft or so with the kitchen you may be better off with 2 very good 12"ers instead of 1 audiophile elite class. You will get better coverage with 2 and minimize weak spots. Nearly everyone is 100% tv/movies. Is one more important to you than the other?

Hahah, yes its easy to spend someone elses money. That was my thinking, buy 2 quality 12" subs that total up to my budget. The neighbors already don't really care for me where I live. I was lucky enough to buy a house on the hill in the nice neighborhood (coastal town). Being 25-30 years younger than everyone up here, I get snubbed by about all of them.

Movies by far, we watch alot of movies and easily 75% are blu ray the other is movies on DirecTV and a few Netflix.
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Hahah, yes its easy to spend someone elses money. That was my thinking, buy 2 quality 12" subs that total up to my budget. The neighbors already don't really care for me where I live. I was lucky enough to buy a house on the hill in the nice neighborhood (coastal town). Being 25-30 years younger than everyone up here, I get snubbed by about all of them.
Movies by far, we watch alot of movies and easily 75% are blu ray the other is movies on DirecTV and a few Netflix.
If movies is most important then that also makes a single elite audiophile grade sub less sensible.

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As much as I love my Outlaw sub, I'd have to agree. The Hsu VTF15h would really make an impression on you and everyone else. Start looking for the credit card. wink.gif

Yep, this happened to me earlier. I watched some you tube videos, posted here, and the final straw was when I found a sub shootout video that included the Vtf-15H, Rhythmik's FV15, and some other subs where the VTF-15 more than held it's own.

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