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personally, i believe that a more 'professional' item such as sound absorbing material (etc Auralex) will make a better job of decoupling the sub from the floor.

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After speaking with SVS and clarifying a couple of minor placement concerns, I've just ordered an SVS SB-1000 for my small (1200 cubic ft.) office and one of my 2 channel listening spaces. Paired with Emp Tek E41-B speakers I'm confident that I am making no compromises with regard to excellence in sound quality and my listening enjoyment.

Thank you all for your conversations and expertise! It's been a pleasure.

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personally, i believe that a more 'professional' item such as sound absorbing material (etc Auralex) will make a better job of decoupling the sub from the floor.
That assumes that there is such a thing as mechanical coupling, and that it needs to be addressed. There is no such thing as mechanical coupling, so it doesn't need to be addressed. The only concern is when the acoustic output of the sub causes the floor to vibrate, and then the sub to vibrate in turn above the floor. Controlling that only requires a bit of carpet or rubber feet.

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I'm going to get the PB-1000 to replace my PSB Subsonic 5. With the exception of bass extension which the SVS has in spades over the PSB, I wonder how much better it will sound. The PSB -3db point is at 32 Hz (if I remember correctly) but it too has a very flat frequency curve similar to that of the SVS. I don't think I will hear much improvement in quality of bass but I will definately feel more and get better deep bass extension.
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Hi

I live in United Kingdom and have been told by UK retailer that they do not have (SVS PB 1000) in stock.
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Hi

I live in United Kingdom and have been told by UK retailer that they do not have (SVS PB 1000) in stock.
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Hi

I live in United Kingdom and have been told by UK retailer that they do not have (SVS PB 1000) in stock.
Bummer. Now what?
Maybe you should make a list of what is available and get some opinions of what might work best for you. Since it doesnt look like its going to be SVS you should go to the subwoofer section and start a new thread.

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why should he look for another sub? Just order one online from the internet. Don't get it for England, get it from Norway for example.

it will be cheaper for you to buy it using euros.

by the way, i got the Auralex, i am going to try in on Saturday. I really hope it is not just an expensive 'carpet'. i am not really sure, what difference i am expecting to see from it.
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Received another email, that it will be directly shipped from the distributor once it arrives from USA next week.
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why should he look for another sub? Just order one online from the internet. Don't get it for England, get it from Norway for example.

it will be cheaper for you to buy it using euros.

by the way, i got the Auralex, i am going to try in on Saturday. I really hope it is not just an expensive 'carpet'. i am not really sure, what difference i am expecting to see from it.

What Ted said -- there are a few retailers in Europe you can buy it from. In fact I would not buy it from UK as it is more expensive there...
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What Ted said -- there are a few retailers in Europe you can buy it from. In fact I would not buy it from UK as it is more expensive there...
Read the post above yours from 11 hrs before. wink.gif

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What does this canon do to the human ear drum? Is it safe?

Reason I ask is because I'm thinking of getting a PB-1000 and I would be only 6 feet from the front of the canon. Could that damage my hearing, or is that a safe enough distance from the canon?

I have the option of positioning the canon somewhere else, but the most asthetically pleasing is with the configuration mentioned above.

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What does this canon do to the human ear drum? Is it safe?

Reason I ask is because I'm thinking of getting a PB-1000 and I would be only 6 feet from the front of the canon. Could that damage my hearing, or is that a safe enough distance from the canon?

I have the option of positioning the canon somewhere else, but the most asthetically pleasing is with the configuration mentioned above.
The canon (spelled cannon) has a convenient volume knob that comes standard. rolleyes.gif

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Reason I ask is because I'm thinking of getting a PB-1000 and I would be only 6 feet from the front of the canon. Could that damage my hearing, or is that a safe enough distance from the canon?

Listening at excessive volume, whatever that is, for extended periods of time can damage your hearing, no matter what speakers are used.
That could explain why so many people NEED to upgrade their equipment constantly...eek.gif

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the specs say +/-3dB 19-270Hz which gives a 6dB window

It's a common practice to use a 6dB window. Since SVS subs are so flat, their +3dB actually is where the majority of the FR curve resides.

So you are right, the -3dB point is actually higher than 19Hz if you want to give the FR in a 0 to -3dB window

Hey Warp,

I'm thinking of getting one of these to replace my PSB Subsonic 5. I gave the Canadian distributor my room dimesniosn and room layout. According to him..


In that size room, expect well over 100 dB output at 20 Hz.
The PB-1000 is rated for 103 dB RMS @ 20 Hz via CEA-2010 outdoors at 2 meters ground plane.
Going from ground plane to 1/8th space with two near field boundaries will in theory add 6 dB per boundary, but let's be conservative and call it 4 dB per boundary.
The room will also exhibit at least some room gain (a low-end augmentation of the bass due to conversion from a modal response to a pressure response) and in that size space a conservative estimate would be 4 dB of room gain at 20 Hz.

If the RS SPL meter is being used to monitor peak SPL, be aware that it will typically read 3-4 dB low on DVD LFE bass peaks (which are generally resident in the 25-35 Hz range) since it has a C-weighted filter.


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it should make for a interesting shootout between the PSB and SVS

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This is my first post ever....anywhere. Figured it needed to be about an important issue..subs. I have a 3600 cu ft dedicated theatre room. Limited budget. Would the pb1000 now ( with a possible addition down the road) or 1 pb12nsd be a better option. Would pb12 give me significantly more depth? Pb12 will barely fit into my cabinet, but I think I can jam it in there. Any help greatly appreciated.
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This is my first post ever....anywhere. Figured it needed to be about an important issue..subs. I have a 3600 cu ft dedicated theatre room. Limited budget. Would the pb1000 now ( with a possible addition down the road) or 1 pb12nsd be a better option. Would pb12 give me significantly more depth? Pb12 will barely fit into my cabinet, but I think I can jam it in there.
You will probably be better off with 2 subs but only if you separate them. If you can put 1 in the left cabinet and 1 in the right cabinet. I would not suggest 2 if you put them both in the same cabinet.
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Would pb12 give me significantly more depth?

No, they're both pretty similar in that regard. The PB12 will give more output though, which will be advantageous given the size of your room.

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well, i can tell you for sure that the PB-1000 will not fill that room of yours. Yes you will have bass in your movies, but you will just throw money. If you consider 2 PB-1000, then MAYBE. But even then, you will need calibration, mics, configurations and so on.

PS.... i am jealous of the room. great looking home-theater.


In other news....
i tested my Auralex Gramma this weekend. There are good news and bad news. The good news is that is some-how 'cleaned' the sub noise. You can't really understand that the sub is playing now. It just vanishes. The only way that i know the sub is there working, is by the air coming to my feet every now and then from the driver pushing air (it is kinda annoying).

the bad news... i lost the great effect of vibration on my floor. When the big robot at Terminator salvation moved in the desert, i could feel its steps through my room (it was nice), but now.... NOTHING! i can't feel it anymore. I know that this shows how good work the Auralex does to wooden floors, but i really miss that frown.gif

Good News 2... It works great if you need to protect your sub from the floor, office chairs, vacuums.

Bad News 2... Does it worth it's money for someone with tiles on his floor? Well i payed 70 euros for this. The answer is.... hell No...

Just my 2 cents
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I'm expecting much deeper bass, stuff that I can actually feel. I will have to pick some BluRays where I know the bass is sitting considerably lower than 32 Hz. If the PSB would have been able to hit 20 with some authority, I wouldn't have gone for the SVS. The PSB is a good sub in its own right.
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Hah...you shoulda just bought my sub...in retospect I'm kinda glad you didn't...the pb1000 should give you lots of useable bass <32hz...if its anything like its predecessor...biggrin.gif.

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Thanks for the help guys. It was a tough decision. Went with 1 pb1000 for now. Would have had to cut the drywall out of the back of the cabinet to fit pb12. Jack @ SVS seemed to think 2 pb1000s would be provide more output than 1 pb12. Will have to buy another when I have the dough, or make use of the upgrade policy

What calibrations, mics, configurations, etc are you referring to TeDeV? I have the Audyssey mic for my onkyo. I have only ever had one sub, so this situation is new to me. In my setup the second sub would go in the right cabinet on opposite side of my screen. Wouldn't the settings be similar to the 1st sub?
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I am in a quandary deciding if 2 pb1000s would be better than 1 pb12nsd. I understand the pb12 would be more advantageous for a room of my size (if I operate with only 1 pb1000), but would 2 pb1000 outperform. That is my real dilemma, and seems to be a point of contention between several forums I have visited. Are duals better?

I will never be able to afford 2 pb12s, so I not even considering that route.
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2x PB-1000 will outperform by a lot the pb12nsd. it will fill your room MUCH nicely. everything has to do with location. it is not just about power and driver size.... it is how fast and smooth it can fill your room.

if you have a sub at the front left side, and a sub at the front right side, as you can imagine it will cover more cubic space. As for the calibrations - mics - configurations, is my current problem too right now.

After a lot of discussions with the guys here in previous posts, i managed to learn a few things. I don't know which AV Receiver you have, and what kind of Audyssey you have, but in the end you will probably need a calibration program like REW to put some science in your measurements. Your room will have Nulls and Peaks. A program like REW can show you what is going on. A gadget like MiniDSP can help you fix those problems (as much as possible using software), and in order to measure your sound, you will need a calibration microphone (i would suggest the one that MiniDSP sells).
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I am in a quandary deciding if 2 pb1000s would be better than 1 pb12nsd. I understand the pb12 would be more advantageous for a room of my size (if I operate with only 1 pb1000), but would 2 pb1000 outperform. That is my real dilemma, and seems to be a point of contention between several forums I have visited. Are duals better?

When comparing a single PB1000 to a single PB12 the latter would be better, especially given your circumstance. If it's dual PB1000's vs one PB12 then the former would be the way to go. But while duals are very often the better choice that's not necessarily a given.

One thing that frequently gets glossed over is the fact that placement of multiple subwoofers is critical - you just can't put them anywhere and even out the sound distribution (one of the key reasons people choose to install more than one subwoofer). There's some effort involved with regards to positioning them properly, but the benefits are well worth it.

If you have some flexibility in your placement options then dual PB1000's would be the way to go. The lower extension will equal the PB12, while the output would be greater. An additional benefit is the possibility of fewer room modes issues.

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Help!

What should I do? I ordered PB-1000 (out of stock) but been waiting over a week. I only watch TV / Movies 100%.

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I have just spoken to SVS UK and they are telling me it will now be a couple of weeks before the new batch reaches the UK

I can provide an SB12 NSD at a discount if you wish. Sincere apologies for the delay.

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I am really sorry, we were incorrectly informed by SVS UK. We can supply the SB12NSD for £599 as a gesture of goodwill for the disappointment.


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if i remember correctly, Ed himself said that PB-1000 will be better for movies than the SB12NSD. I think he mentioned that few pages back. Why don't you buy it from somewhere else? Why do you wish to pay pounds over euros?
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i tested my Auralex Gramma this weekend. There are good news and bad news. The good news is that is some-how 'cleaned' the sub noise. You can't really understand that the sub is playing now. It just vanishes. The only way that i know the sub is there working, is by the air coming to my feet every now and then from the driver pushing air (it is kinda annoying).

the bad news... i lost the great effect of vibration on my floor. When the big robot at Terminator salvation moved in the desert, i could feel its steps through my room (it was nice), but now.... NOTHING! i can't feel it anymore. I know that this shows how good work the Auralex does to wooden floors, but i really miss that frown.gif

Good News 2... It works great if you need to protect your sub from the floor, office chairs, vacuums.

Bad News 2... Does it worth it's money for someone with tiles on his floor? Well i payed 70 euros for this. The answer is.... hell No...

Just my 2 cents

Many enthusiasts underestimate the subjective contribution of tactile floor vibration transmission to the overall subwoofer experience. Personally I can't stand the sound/effect of tactile floor transmission, which is why my reference theater is slab on grade. With that said, one needs a LOT more sub to create the same subjective effect when tactile floor transmission is removed from the equation, because you're relying exclusively on room pressurization at that point. Probably explains the continued popularity of tactile transducers, but that's a subject for another day......

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I'm looking to buy another sub(s) and stumbled across these. I know this is a "SVS" thread, but has anyone heard a LFM-1EX? How do these compare to that sub? I currently have 1 LFM-1EX and have been looking to buy another but if I can get the same performance from a smaller enclosure. I'll move it into my game room. Game room is going to be 2.1 and in my living room I'll be running dual subs.

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