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post #1231 of 1247 Old 06-20-2014, 03:02 AM
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dprice18af -> I have never heard a BIC.

However, I can not see the BIC coming close to the same in performance as the SVS.

The SVS will DEF destroy the BIC below 30hz. But you stated for music... The SVS WILL be tighter with less distortion... By how much... I don't think a whole lot... The main benefit will be the additional extension, less distortion, higher reliability, and will sound a bit better (maybe a lot, but I think your subwoofer is somewhat decent)

The SB2000, will prob not go as loud as your BIC, but will DEF sound a fair bit better.... I think it may be better since you do not care for SPL nor ultra low extension. I feel for your purposes the SB2000 will walk the BIC.

Remember I have not listened to the BIC, just going by experience.
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dprice18af -> I have never heard a BIC.

However, I can not see the BIC coming close to the same in performance as the SVS.

The SVS will DEF destroy the BIC below 30hz. But you stated for music... The SVS WILL be tighter with less distortion... By how much... I don't think a whole lot... The main benefit will be the additional extension, less distortion, higher reliability, and will sound a bit better (maybe a lot, but I think your subwoofer is somewhat decent)

The SB2000, will prob not go as loud as your BIC, but will DEF sound a fair bit better.... I think it may be better since you do not care for SPL nor ultra low extension. I feel for your purposes the SB2000 will walk the BIC.

Remember I have not listened to the BIC, just going by experience.
Thank you for the suggestions and advice.
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Is anyone using the SB1000 through the speaker level inputs. Curious to know how the sound would be seeing that you can't set the xover level below 50 Hz when used with fullrange speakers
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dprice18af -> This may help, though i'd throw it in.

I prefer the SVS PB1000 over the paradigm reference PW 2200 v1 and V3.... Also over ALL the velodyne subwoofers i have own and the Energy s12.3 or w.e it was that was highly regarded at the time. It was good but not great.
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This may be a dumb question but for now I have a sony receiver, I'm in the market for a marantz receiver so I will have something better soon ANYWAYS, what is this -3db,+3db mean and how do I adjust that? What crossover freq should I set this sub at? It'll be here friday.
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This may be a dumb question but for now I have a sony receiver, I'm in the market for a marantz receiver so I will have something better soon ANYWAYS, what is this -3db,+3db mean and how do I adjust that? What crossover freq should I set this sub at? It'll be here friday.
I'm not sure in what sense you're referring to -3dB/+3dB, so I don't know how to answer that question. The crossover frequency should be set based on the speakers you have. Maybe that's what you mean by the -3dB thing--your other speakers, especially the front left and right, and the center channel, have a -3dB point. That would be the lower frequency where the speaker output drops by 3dB over the output within it's capable range(there is an upper frequency -3 dB point as well, but that doesn't matter so much when talking about a sub). You should probably set your crossover at least 10Hz higher than this, although advice here may differ. What you want is for your sub to pick up where your speakers start to lose output. If your speakers go really low, you may even want your sub to pick up before this point.

This question would be much easier to answer if we knew what your other speakers are, and a few other details about your setup.
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I'm not sure in what sense you're referring to -3dB/+3dB, so I don't know how to answer that question. The crossover frequency should be set based on the speakers you have. Maybe that's what you mean by the -3dB thing--your other speakers, especially the front left and right, and the center channel, have a -3dB point. That would be the lower frequency where the speaker output drops by 3dB over the output within it's capable range(there is an upper frequency -3 dB point as well, but that doesn't matter so much when talking about a sub). You should probably set your crossover at least 10Hz higher than this, although advice here may differ. What you want is for your sub to pick up where your speakers start to lose output. If your speakers go really low, you may even want your sub to pick up before this point.

This question would be much easier to answer if we knew what your other speakers are, and a few other details about your setup.
Thanks for the info, this is for my living room set-up, it's a small 13x16 room with a Sony HW40ES projector, I have a 5.0 set of the Andrew Jones Pioneer speakers (1 center, 2 floorstanding speakers, and two bookshelf as surrounds) then the SVS PB-1000, my receiver will be the marantz sr5008. As of now I had the floors set at 80hz, the center at 90hz, and the surrounds at 100hz, and my old subwoofer was set at 80hz(Andrew Jones sub)
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Thanks for the info, this is for my living room set-up, it's a small 13x16 room with a Sony HW40ES projector, I have a 5.0 set of the Andrew Jones Pioneer speakers (1 center, 2 floorstanding speakers, and two bookshelf as surrounds) then the SVS PB-1000, my receiver will be the marantz sr5008. As of now I had the floors set at 80hz, the center at 90hz, and the surrounds at 100hz, and my old subwoofer was set at 80hz(Andrew Jones sub)
Without looking up the exact specs of those speakers, I don't see anything wrong with this setup except maybe the subwoofer crossover. If you mean the low-pass filter on the sub itself, you should just set this to its maximum or off position. On the PB-1000 this would be the LFE setting on the low-pass filter knob. The sub doesn't need to filter any frequencies, because your AVR should be doing that with the crossover frequencies you have set for the speakers.
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Without looking up the exact specs of those speakers, I don't see anything wrong with this setup except maybe the subwoofer crossover. If you mean the low-pass filter on the sub itself, you should just set this to its maximum or off position. On the PB-1000 this would be the LFE setting on the low-pass filter knob. The sub doesn't need to filter any frequencies, because your AVR should be doing that with the crossover frequencies you have set for the speakers.
got it today, wow it's colossal. I got the sound isolation with it, set it at 80hz and 75% volume with the phaser at 0 and it's wonderful!
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Can anyone comment on my situation? Currently have a Denon 4520 receiver to 5.1 setup, Speakercraft AIM8 Three's for LCR and surround, with an in-wall Artison RCC-600 sub. Long story short, the amp on my Artison is shot and I did I not purchase from an AD, so warranty repair isn't an option and I'm planning to ditch in-wall entirely and go with a standalone sub connected with a wireless transmitter. Space is extremely limited so form factor and size matters. Was considering the SB1000. Use will be 80% TV (sports) and movies at moderate volume (rarely loud), 20% music. Can anyone compare to the Artison? My annoyance with it was that it sounded great at high volume but just produced muffled crackles at my average listening volume. I don't need a sub that pounds, just something that adds life to what I watch. Room is not acoustically optimal - 14 x 30, 9 foot ceilings, open to kitchen, hallway, staircase. Goal would be to contain the bass to the main listening area as best as I can.
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^^ For your requirements, sure, the SB-1000 will be barely okay as long as you place it near-field, and since you aren't after anything other than a little support bass. However, your room volume is considered large (not including your openings to other rooms) and the SB-1000 works best in small rooms (under 1500 cu. ft.). If I were you I'd try to get at least the PB-1000. It's not all that large, but you will need to be the one to decide what will fit and what won't. As far as how either the SB or PB-1000s would compare to the Artison ... I'm not familiar with this in-wall sub. But from what I read, it comes with a pretty powerful 600 watt RMS separate amp and has four 5 x 8 woofers and a frequency response of 20 - 160 Hz plus/minus 3 dB (pretty darn good). That should have provided you with good bass.

The problem with anything that can't be moved around is that your are at the mercy of its location, which may sound terrible at your listening position. Add to that your room volume, and I'm not surprised it didn't work out for you. At least with the SVS, you can try it out and if it doesn't work out, send it back.
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^^ For your requirements, sure, the SB-1000 will be barely okay as long as you place it near-field, and since you aren't after anything other than a little support bass. However, your room volume is considered large (not including your openings to other rooms) and the SB-1000 works best in small rooms (under 1500 cu. ft.). If I were you I'd try to get at least the PB-1000. It's not all that large, but you will need to be the one to decide what will fit and what won't.
Agreed. I have the SB-1000. Great little sub, but absolutely a horrible choice for a 14 x 30 room.

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I agree too on that room 14 x 30 needed a bigger sub, I have a svs 10incher in a 15 X 10 room that opens into another area and it's fine because of the placement in my listening area. If the room where any bigger then the next up svs would be the better choice. The $500 price point is whats hard to pass when looking for a new sub, I get it, but the $700 aint that hard to reach if you really need the bigger one. Plus svs is great to deal with.
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Hi all

I have a pretty big living room that shares space with our family dining room as well (LR and DR 15 x 25 or so)

I need a smaller sub for hiding in a basket - and thoughts SVB but now thinking just won't work given room size? I am looking for just very moderate bass support for kef t301 on wall speakers for 80% music usage.

My other thought is polk 10 inch 550?
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Hi all

I have a pretty big living room that shares space with our family dining room as well (LR and DR 15 x 25 or so)

I need a smaller sub for hiding in a basket - and thoughts SVB but now thinking just won't work given room size? I am looking for just very moderate bass support for kef t301 on wall speakers for 80% music usage.

My other thought is polk 10 inch 550?
Oh and trying to find something with a less than 14 inch square width
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A subwoofer in a basket reminds me of pigs in a blanket. We're not talking food here, right? Why would anyone put a sub in a basket? I'll just assume you were joking. I'm not sure why you have a 14-inch "square" maximum requirement … perhaps you weren't joking!!??

Ignoring that odd situation for a moment, your combined rooms are 3,000 cu. ft. (if we are talking 8-foot ceiling heights). That's considered a large room subwoofer-wise. The Polk shouldn't be in consideration. For "very moderate" bass, a PB-1000 could work okay for you, but won't fit your 14-inch square requirement. The only "real" sub I know that is small enough would be the SB-1000 (13-inch cube), but that's asking a lot from a small sealed sub that is NOT in a basket.

Your choice. At least with SVS you can order it, try it out, and if it doesn't work for you, you can send it back on SVS's dime -- you keep your basket, of course .
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Would a pair of SB-1000s be a good match with my PB-2000? My room is 16x10x7.5, so I've got some pretty nasty room nodes. I've attached a graph that illustrates the issue, though isn't entirely up to date (it was worse before I added bass traps).

With a new MLP and speaker placement my main L+R are fairly flat down to about 50Hz and then trail off. When I add the PB-2000 I end up with nasty nulls at 80Hz and 120Hz (the 60Hz null in the graph has since been pushed upward).

Following the suggestions proposed by some of Earl Geddes research, I'm thinking of using multiple subs to even things out.

No matter where I place my MLP or speakers, the response in my room from about 40Hz down doesn't seem to change much, which seems somewhat consistent with my research.

What I'm unclear on is if the SB-1000 (or multiple units) will help iron out this region, or if I'd need something that reaches lower. The room is small as it is, and I'm scratching my head as to where I would place anything as big as another PB-2000.

My focus is split 80/20 music/movies. I listen to music in 2.1.

Having nulls at 80Hz and 120Hz is annoying and a problematic region. I can get rid of the nulls by using a 200Hz crossover, but then only if the sub is located behind the MLP. This makes the sub locatable during music listening and very distracting with it behind me! I need my 80--200Hz originating from the front of my room, and the sub performs terribly up there.

So...

a) would two or three SB-1000s help iron out both those problematic null regions?
b) would two or three SB-1000s help iron out what is happening in my room below 50Hz?
c) if musicality is my focus, is the SB a better fit in a small room than the PB?

*I'm in Canada, so the fancy SVS Bill of Rights™ with free shipping and all that doesn't seem to apply to me.
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