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Hi All,

Just found out that SVS are now offering two new subwoofers - the SB1000 (12" Front Firing Sealed) at $499 & the PB1000 (10" Front Firing & Ported) also at £499!! I think it is great tehy are now offering products at the more affordable end of the market & a smaller options for those who cannot accommodate their usual behemoths!

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/sb-1000
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I look forward to reading about people opinions on these & whether you folks think they are any good! The only downside for me is by the time they are offered here in England they will probably cost 3 times as much as you guys can get then for! If anyone is planning to visit my beautiful country anytime soon, let me knwo so I ask you to bring a couple over for me!

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i am in the market for a good sub myself. I would love some feedback on how the PB1000 compares to the PB12-NSD.

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IMO, if the PB-1000 is anything like the PB10-NSD, it'll have ~90% of the performance of the PB12-NSD for considerably less money.

This comment by Ed Mullen of SVS makes it sound (to me, at least) like it might be even better than that:
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The PB-1000 performance envelope (FR, max output, bandwidth uniformity) is similar to the PB12-NSD - it just can't play quite as loud. So if you love the PB12-NSD's overall performance characteristics, you'll feel right at home with a PB-1000.
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I don't know, there is about $280 difference in price between them. I'd love to think I could replace both my f12's by just paying an extra $100.

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I don't know about this. Notice the weight of the SB1000, 27 lbs, that's pretty light for a sub imo. Usually, one can equate output and quality with total weight. Will you be better off with a new SVS for $500, or a Klipsch RW12D on blow out sale for $350 or better yet 300?
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Notice the weight of the SB1000, 27 lbs ...
The SB-1000 weights 27lbs. (which is 8lbs less than the well-rated SB12-NSD), but the PB-1000 weights 46lbs.
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I wonder if two SB1000's would be better than my single PB12 NSD?

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I wonder if two SB1000's would be better than my single PB12 NSD?

Co-located a pair would probably match a PB12NSD (maybe) in the 80-35hrz range, below 35-30hrz the PB12 would have more output.
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Both of these products are welcome additions to world of subwoofers. I would by one in a heartbeat, but I am already running 4 subs...
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Both of these products are welcome additions to world of subwoofers.

They really are, considering most new threads are from people wanting small and/or inexpensive subs. I'd love to hear each in a small-medium sized room.

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Both of these products are welcome additions to world of subwoofers. I would by one in a heartbeat, but I am already running 4 subs...

It's "buy", as in to purchase smile.gif
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The PB1000 is supposed to do 19Hz at -3db, but from looking at their chart it looks more like 19Hz at -5db.
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The PB1000 is supposed to do 19Hz at -3db, but from looking at their chart it looks more like 19Hz at -5db.

the specs say +/-3dB 19-270Hz which gives a 6dB window

It's a common practice to use a 6dB window. Since SVS subs are so flat, their +3dB actually is where the majority of the FR curve resides.

So you are right, the -3dB point is actually higher than 19Hz if you want to give the FR in a 0 to -3dB window

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the specs say +/-3dB 19-270Hz which gives a 6dB window
It's a common practice to use a 6dB window. Since SVS subs are so flat, their +3dB actually is where the majority of the FR curve resides.
So you are right, the -3dB point is actually higher than 19Hz if you want to give the FR in a 0 to -3dB window

Warp is correct - our FRs are so flat that we can either list +/- 3 dB (which is a 6 dB window) or the -6 dB points - it's basically expressing the same value. The -3 dB points would be expressed as +/- 1.5 dB (which is a 3 dB window).

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Warp is correct - our FRs are so flat that we can either list +/- 3 dB (which is a 6 dB window) or the -6 dB points - it's basically expressing the same value. The -3 dB points would be expressed as +/- 1.5 dB (which is a 3 dB window).

How well would my PB12 NSD mix with the PB1000? I would have just enough room to fit them both up front in my bedroom.

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How well would my PB12 NSD mix with the PB1000? I would have just enough room to fit them both up front in my bedroom.

The two subs will mate-up extremely well. They have very similar performance envelopes in terms of FR, extension, phase response and bandwidth uniformity. The PB12-NSD just has a higher max output level.

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Hi Ed,

Any idea when these subs will be available in England & the prices we can expect to pay?

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Hi Ed,
Any idea when these subs will be available in England & the prices we can expect to pay?
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Around the middle of December.

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Hi,

Many thanks! Do you know if these have dual voltage 120v/240v? I can find no info on the SVS website. I would be grateful if anyone could comment on the likely performance differences between the SB1000 & SB12-NSD? Are thee any plans for SVS to reintroduce the 10" SB10-NSD they were supposed to launch last year? I wonder why they have not released that model yet & if they ever will now? It would be really nice to see a fully sealed 10" sub from them.

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Many thanks! Do you know if these have dual voltage 120v/240v? I can find no info on the SVS website. I would be grateful if anyone could comment on the likely performance differences between the SB1000 & SB12-NSD? Are thee any plans for SVS to reintroduce the 10" SB10-NSD they were supposed to launch last year? I wonder why they have not released that model yet & if they ever will now? It would be really nice to see a fully sealed 10" sub from them.
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Hi Bazzy.

For now, if SVS Subwoofers were manufactured or at least since I have dealings with these subs, their amps are tailored to the regulations of each country or region.

In regards to SB10, makes no sense. Well have drawn the most compact SB-1000 (similar in size to what a SB10, but with the advantage of having a 12 "). What more could you want? LOL
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Hi Bazzy.
For now, if SVS Subwoofers were manufactured or at least since I have dealings with these subs, their amps are tailored to the regulations of each country or region.
In regards to SB10, makes no sense. Well have drawn the most compact SB-1000 (similar in size to what a SB10, but with the advantage of having a 12 "). What more could you want? LOL

Hi,

Many thanks - it seems that I will have to wait till they reach UK Stores then - kind of limits choice as very, very few dealers here in the UK & cannot even buy from places like Amazon! If I do have one issue with SVS (outside of USA) is that it forces people to buy an ID sub from a dealer which means higher prices & limits where we are forced to buy from. This then wipes out all the advantages an ID brand offers.

I refuse to buy from L-Sound in Norway & ship to the UK as if something does happen, I have to go through the hassle of sending everything back to Norway & then wait to have it sent back to me - just hassle. Even worse is that I would have to pay the return shipping charges which on very heavy items would not be cheap at all!

I really would welcome comments/opinions on how folks thinks a SB1000 would compare against a SB12-NSD?

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Many thanks - it seems that I will have to wait till they reach UK Stores then - kind of limits choice as very, very few dealers here in the UK & cannot even buy from places like Amazon! If I do have one issue with SVS (outside of USA) is that it forces people to buy an ID sub from a dealer which means higher prices & limits where we are forced to buy from. This then wipes out all the advantages an ID brand offers.
I refuse to buy from L-Sound in Norway & ship to the UK as if something does happen, I have to go through the hassle of sending everything back to Norway & then wait to have it sent back to me - just hassle. Even worse is that I would have to pay the return shipping charges which on very heavy items would not be cheap at all!
I really would welcome comments/opinions on how folks thinks a SB1000 would compare against a SB12-NSD?
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Hello.

You would have no problem if it happens some malfunction of SVS.

I'm from Spain and I live in Spain, my PC13-Ultra in Lsound buy it and when a part fails, it is sent to my address.
I'm here to say that if you have a problem with your SVS, you will not send the subwoofer. They will arrange with a very good technical support, via email or phone, find out what your problem and your problem once discarded, they took the right part and sent to your home. You have nothing more to do with changing hands, are only a few screws, connecting and disconnecting and ready to go.

As another option, a very good friend has its own retail store in Germany of SVS, in this, I just bought my new PB12-Plus DSP to match my PC13. I hope that by Friday this in my house.
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i spoke to SVS costumer support on the phone a couple of times about this (jack and dough), and they both said that the pb1000 cant be compared to the pb12, the pb12 uses a much higher class woofer, stronger amp and will go deeper with cleaner bass, not to mention u are comparing a 12 inch woofer to a 10 inch woofer.

SVS said that u get 50% more subwoofer with the pb12 for the $270 premium u pay when u buy the pb12 over the pb1000. he did say however, that TWO pb1000s are better than one pb12, thats obvious though so..

i myself just ordered an SVS pb12 NSD from onecall! Cant wait to get it! im upgrading from an eD A2-300! i live in an apartment btw, never had a problem with my neighboors with my eD A2-300, besides i know how to control the volume when needed so its all good.. now all i need to do is sell the a2-300 to cover up the expense for the pb12! biggrin.gif
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I really would welcome comments/opinions on how folks thinks a SB1000 would compare against a SB12-NSD?

For features, power and size difference, the SB12-NSD play a work about 2 or 3 dbs extra, depending on frequency. Perhaps more small in the range 40hz - 100hz.

In any case, you can buy two SB1000, adapting such improve your room and have extra power for more difficult situations.

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Is there any testing data from these subs yet? Perhaps a comparison to the SB12?
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Is there any testing data from these subs yet? Perhaps a comparison to the SB12?
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Hello.

Although there are no official data and objectives by any reviewer.
It's about time, you see a review.
In any case, you can base it on the data provided in my previous post. That can give you guidance on how to pay.
Anyway, if the SPL is important, it is also the general behavior (When you start to compress, how much distortion THD, THD and harmonics, group delay, the spectral decay ...)

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Darn. I moseyed on to the SVS site to place an order for the SB12 and got distracted by the SB1000. Besides my preference for piano black, how am I going to decide? I like small (my house is small, so I have to)... It seems that the frequency response is about the same but the SB1000 is about 5-10 dB quieter?

Do you have recommendations given the way my room is?
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Darn. I moseyed on to the SVS site to place an order for the SB12 and got distracted by the SB1000. Besides my preference for piano black, how am I going to decide? I like small (my house is small, so I have to)... It seems that the frequency response is about the same but the SB1000 is about 5-10 dB quieter?

Do you have recommendations given the way my room is?

It's difficult to tell how large your room is based upon that other post, but it seems to be at least 2500 cubic feet. If so, output will be your friend. Based upon that I would say the SB12 is the better fit.

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Hi Jim,

Out of interest, which do you think might be better - the SVS SB1000 or the XTZ 99.W10.16 that I believe you have/had? Also, how would they both compare to the SB12-NSD? Sorry to ask such broad scale questions but I figured you have toyed & tested so much, you can probably tell just by looking!

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Out of interest, which do you think might be better - the SVS SB1000 or the XTZ 99.W10.16 that I believe you have/had? Also, how would they both compare to the SB12-NSD? Sorry to ask such broad scale questions but I figured you have toyed & tested so much, you can probably tell just by looking!

I certainly do appreciate the vote of confidence, but I very seriously doubt anyone can really do more then infer simply by looking.

The XTZ has tuning options that neither of the SVS subs have, which could prove beneficial. Want to choose between acoustic suspension or bass reflex? Rather have extension over output? Want to boost either the 25Hz or 50Hz range? The answer to all of those questions is 'yes' with the XTZ.

The SB1000 is tiny and inexpensive (relatively speaking). If it's anything like the other subs SVS sells it's probably quite nice. The numbers they quote certainly look solid, especially for what you're paying.

The SB12 is a proven winner, with a history of over-achieving. I'm not sure I've ever seen a negative post about that sub, which is extremely rare. That, alone, is a compelling argument.

It all boils down to what an individual is looking for I suppose. Want a "junior" SB12? The SB1000 seems like the ticket. Want something you can configure however you'd like? The XTZ would be the way to go. Want something deemed one of the best small subs being made? The SB12 is the best choice then.

I have a PB1000 on the way to me for review. It was supposed to be delivered today, but I guess FedEx decided I didn't really need it after all. I'll be doing a review on that one, which will be in the beginning of next year. I don't have an SB1000 scheduled though.
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