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Guys,

Can you recommend a decent 10-inch sub for my new HT setup?

I've the HTD level-3 bookshelves and a center channel and a denon 2113ci.

I received my BIC F12 and Aurolex subdude and F12 is way too large for my room and also doesn't fit in the subdude.

So thinking of returning the F12 and getting a decent 8 or 10 inch sub.

The room is 15*12 apartment and i don't like the rumbling or window shattering sounds. Am just looking a sub that can go well with music and play some decent effects for movies.

budget is ~$200 to ~$250

Thanks much in advance !
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Hsu STF-1 or Outlaw M8.
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Hsu STF-1 or Outlaw M8.

Thanks for the suggestion.

I've never connected a subwoofer before. I bought a subwoofer cable from amazon and how do i connect my receiver to outlaw m8?

I looked at the backside of m8 and not too sure where to plug-in the subwoofer cable.
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Based on this pic, I'd say the left ("mono") input. And you'd set the crossover switch to "bypass".

-- Edit --
Page 5 of the owner's manual (PDF) confirms it.
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How do you compare Outlaw M8 with BIC F12?

F12 looks huge and goes down to 25 HZ. Weigh 42 ls. They have 5 yr warranty on the parts. ($199 incl shipping)

M8 is definitely more compact than F12 and goes down to 29 HZ. Weigh ~26 lbs. I think they provide 3 yrs warranty. ($281 incl shipping)

HSU STF-1 is like M8, but goes down only to 32 HZ. Weigh 30 lbs. They have 7 yr warranty. ($334 incl shipping)


I've been listening to TV speakers all my life and i really don't know what i'll be missing if my sub doesn't go below 30 or 32 hz.

Do you guys think M8 is still a good choice over the other for that price range or is STF-1 a better value for it's extended warranty?

btw, all i do with my HT is listen to soft melodies music\instrumental and watch movies occasionally.
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The STF-1 will go down to 29hz with a +/- 3dB window. Hsu lists it as 32hz in a +/- 2dB window, which is more prescise than anyone else lists specs. TheF12 can only be said to hit ~28hz within a +/- 3dB window when measured accurately. It would just have more output than the other 2.

The differences between the M8 and STF-1 are slight, as they were both designed the same way. Outlaw contracted Dr. Hsu for consultation on the design of the M8. The STF-1 will have slightly more amplifier power and slightly more weight to it. Otherwise, they are pretty close. Both are good for their price class.
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So in terms of going low, there isn't much difference between STF-1 and F12.

Any reason why a 8 inch STF-1 would be $100 more than 12 inch F12?
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So in terms of going low, there isn't much difference between STF-1 and F12.
Any reason why a 8 inch STF-1 would be $100 more than 12 inch F12?

Sound quality and design. Hsu and Outlaw subs tend to measure better than commercial offerings in their price brackets. The BIC will certainly play louder, but it is not as accurate. More accurate subs will be better for music.
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HSU STF-1 vs BIC V1020 (just $145 including shipping!)

How is V1020 compare with STF-1?

Any suggestions guys?

Which one of these is less boomy and more musical and apartment friendly ?
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HSU STF-1 vs BIC V1020 (just $145 including shipping!)
How is V1020 compare with STF-1?
Any suggestions guys?
Which one of these is less boomy and more musical and apartment friendly ?
STF-1 is all of those. But if you want real bass spend the extra $50 and get the Bic F12. You can always turn it down if it is too much. You may be disappointed with the other 2. What kind of sub do you have now?

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STF-1 is all of those. But if you want real bass spend the extra $50 and get the Bic F12. You can always turn it down if it is too much. You may be disappointed with the other 2. What kind of sub do you have now?

He had the BIC F12. wink.gif
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STF-1 is all of those. But if you want real bass spend the extra $50 and get the Bic F12. You can always turn it down if it is too much. You may be disappointed with the other 2. What kind of sub do you have now?


I received the BIC F12 a couple of days back and it looks like it's way too big for my living room (apartment). I am still waiting for my receiver and not set anything up yet. Just the sheer size of the sub scared me and my family mad.gif

Thinking of returning this and getting a smaller one (8 or 10 inch) which will best fit my living room and my apartment and also something that will give me a decent low end. I really don't care if my sub doesn't go below 25 hz because as I said earlier, this is my first HT setup and I've been listening to TV speakers till now .. So any decent sub will be a big upgrade for me .. my only concern is the sub should not be boomy at all. I am willing to up the budget to ~$300 to get a good non-boomy, musical sub.
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If you can up the budget to $499, order an SVS SB-1000 today:
- 12" driver
- 300W RMS amp
- 24-260Hz +/-3dB
- 13" x 13" x 13"
- 27lbs.

SVS always includes delivery shipping, but their sale - which ends today - includes free return shipping. This means you can buy and try the sub, and if you don't like it, it will end up costing you $0.

And if you do like it, you're set! smile.gif
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If you can up the budget to $499, order an SVS SB-1000 today:
- 12" driver
- 300W RMS amp
- 24-260Hz +/-3dB
- 13" x 13" x 13"
- 27lbs.
SVS always includes delivery shipping, but their sale - which ends today - includes free return shipping. This means you can buy and try the sub, and if you don't like it, it will end up costing you $0.
And if you do like it, you're set! smile.gif


- 13" x 13" x 13" is definitely compact for a 12 inch. But $500 is a bit overkill for me and unfortunately ~$300 will be the max that i can spend on a sub right now
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An Energy S 10.3 would be great if you can get one for under $200. They are discontinued, so a little digging around might be needed.
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I am leaning towards HUS STF-1.

But has anyone here used BIC V1020? - It has got some decent reviews and it's less than $150 right now.
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An Energy S 10.3 would be great if you can get one for under $200. They are discontinued, so a little digging around might be needed.
I dug like a madman for the S10.3 before I got the RW12. Very difficult to find and the cheapest was $350.

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Will Subdude help reduce vibrations on a front-firing subwoofer or is it only helpful for a down-firing one?
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I would go for the HSU-STF1 and keep your subdude.

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Will Subdude help reduce vibrations on a front-firing subwoofer or is it only helpful for a down-firing one?
Some people say those Subdudes are great and some say a waste of money but the type of sub doesn't matter.

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I finally received my HSU STF-1 and the Aurolex Subdude.

Will let you guys know how it works after I set everything up this weekend.

Thank you for all your valuable suggestions wink.gif !
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