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You will be pleasantly surprised by the rw if you think the f12 is that good. You can turn the gain down on the f12 when you get it downstairs.

Ok so the basement stays the way it is. Now I might just consider it for upgrading the upstairs only. I have a better system upstairs that can matcht the power of the BIC America but I'm wondering how much of an upgrade would the RW12 be? Here's what I have. D Polk Audio CS2 center, Polk Audio Monitor 70s sII, denon avr 1712 receiver with audyssey. Like I said BIC sounds great, but if it's a huge punch in the gut upgrade I would go for it. room is about 18' long 12' wide carpetted living room. 9' high.
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Ok so the basement stays the way it is. Now I might just consider it for upgrading the upstairs only. I have a better system upstairs that can matcht the power of the BIC America but I'm wondering how much of an upgrade would the RW12 be? Here's what I have. D Polk Audio CS2 center, Polk Audio Monitor 70s sII, denon avr 1712 receiver with audyssey. Like I said BIC sounds great, but if it's a huge punch in the gut upgrade I would go for it. room is about 18' long 12' wide carpetted living room. 9' high.

Overall, the RW12-d is definitely a more powerful sub. But there's more to it. The BIC F12 has a peaky frequency response that gives you more output in the lower midbass range than it does down low. The RW-12d has a much flatter response, so it also does much better with producing extended output on the low end down to the low 20hz range. You should notice some good benefit for use with your towers.

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Overall, the RW12-d is definitely a more powerful sub. But there's more to it. The BIC F12 has a peaky frequency response that gives you more output in the lower midbass range than it does down low. The RW-12d has a much flatter response, so it also does much better with producing extended output on the low end down to the low 20hz range. You should notice some good benefit for use with your towers.

That sounds like they would make a good dual sub combo wouldn't they?
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That sounds like they would make a good dual sub combo wouldn't they?

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How about say 2,3,or 4 of these vs 1 HSU VTF-15H for movies in an acoustically treated 2100 cu foot room?

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As has been mentioned several times already, you'll have deeper extension with the HSU but more even distribution with several RW12d's.

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I ordered it. I think even if I don't get a dual sub set up right away, I think, based on what you said about low range, that the Klipsch when combined with my Monitor 70s will provide a better sound. Because the Monitor's probably handle alot of the low/mid range stuff themselves. And the Klipsch will add even a deeper lower clean punch than the BIC will. Is that a good summary in my beginner understanding of things?
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As has been mentioned several times already, you'll have deeper extension with the HSU but more even distribution with several RW12d's.
What's more important to you?

For movies which is the primary use I'd say deeper. But, How much deeper are we talking in real world use and is overall sound going to be more enjoyable not going quite as deep but with a more even distribution?

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You have 30 days to try the HSU (though shipping it back would be quite an expense). "Real world" is hard to determine, but you're looking at 23Hz on the Klipsch and (maybe) 16Hz on the HSU. That's something you would notice.

I have a DSP that gets me down to 20Hz on the Klipsch, and I'm perfectly happy, especially since I wasn't eager to spend $1000 on a sub.

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I ordered it. I think even if I don't get a dual sub set up right away, I think, based on what you said about low range, that the Klipsch when combined with my Monitor 70s will provide a better sound. Because the Monitor's probably handle alot of the low/mid range stuff themselves. And the Klipsch will add even a deeper lower clean punch than the BIC will. Is that a good summary in my beginner understanding of things?

Yep. The Klipsch should do much better on the low end than the BIC F12 did.

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I ordered it. I think even if I don't get a dual sub set up right away, I think, based on what you said about low range, that the Klipsch when combined with my Monitor 70s will provide a better sound. Because the Monitor's probably handle alot of the low/mid range stuff themselves. And the Klipsch will add even a deeper lower clean punch than the BIC will. Is that a good summary in my beginner understanding of things?
Yes. The rw is an all around better sub. It will go deeper for theater and is more accurate for music. And has more output. You will be pleased.

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Yes. The rw is an all around better sub. It will go deeper for theater and is more accurate for music. And has more output. You will be pleased.

excellent. Thanks sounds great, and thanks to cel too. Well can't wait to hear what Vader's choke hold sounds like on this one.
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So has anyone who's gotten this from newegg had the port tube or something else loose? There seem to be a healthy number of comments on newegg so I'm not sure HOW common it is, but it seems atleast somewhat common.
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So has anyone who's gotten this from newegg had the port tube or something else loose? There seem to be a healthy number of comments on newegg so I'm not sure HOW common it is, but it seems atleast somewhat common.
It happens but is easily fixed. It used to be more common before they started double boxing them.

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Ok guys I decided I'm going to keep the BIC and set up my first dual LFE system. The BIC is nice and tight in a corner (literally surrounded). I have a space for the 2nd sub in a corner in the back of the room (same side, right side). I just want to ask two things.

1) does it even matter which is in front which is in back?

2) I'll need a longer cord to reach the back sub so does this cover what I need? http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10429&cs_id=1042904&p_id=7187&seq=1&format=2 and http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023603&p_id=2683&seq=1&format=2 + a 3ft one for Y splitter to amp.
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1) does it even matter which is in front which is in back?

It can. Since the RW-12d is more powerful, typically the best location is for the BIC F12 to be closer to the listening position. That way it doesn't have to work as hard to keep up.

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It can. Since the RW-12d is more powerful, typically the best location is for the BIC F12 to be closer to the listening position. That way it doesn't have to work as hard to keep up.

Honest with you since they are both on the right side and couches are near the back, the back sub would probably be closer. I'm just daydreaming of the chest pounding these 2 will do together. I'm ordering those extra cables now.
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Ok guys I decided I'm going to keep the BIC and set up my first dual LFE system. The BIC is nice and tight in a corner (literally surrounded). I have a space for the 2nd sub in a corner in the back of the room (same side, right side). I just want to ask two things.

1) does it even matter which is in front which is in back?

2) I'll need a longer cord to reach the back sub so does this cover what I need? http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10429&cs_id=1042904&p_id=7187&seq=1&format=2 and http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023603&p_id=2683&seq=1&format=2 + a 3ft one for Y splitter to amp.
That cable and adaptor are fine. Its unlikely that the placement you have planned will be the BEST placement. It took me about a week and several different placement scenarios to be satisfied. I ended up with the F12 in a corner and the rw placed midwall. But if you dont have options I would follow cel4145 advice and put the F12 closest. Dont be afraid to switch them though to see whats best.

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Oh I won't. I have a couple options. I just can't wait til they get here now. I have a couple movies in mind lined up and ready to feel the thumpin.
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I am new to Klipsch, and I have never owned any of their products. I am curious about this sub because the price is right it seems like people like it well enough. How would you guys say this sub is for music? I am looking for a sub for a small room, and my gear is an iMAC, USP-1, UPA-200, and Ascend Acoustics CBM-170se.
My budget is about $300, but may be able to go up to $400. Is this one of the better subs to get at this price range, for music use only? Thanks
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I am new to Klipsch, and I have never owned any of their products. I am curious about this sub because the price is right it seems like people like it well enough. How would you guys say this sub is for music? I am looking for a sub for a small room, and my gear is an iMAC, USP-1, UPA-200, and Ascend Acoustics CBM-170se.
My budget is about $300, but may be able to go up to $400. Is this one of the better subs to get at this price range, for music use only? Thanks

It's a speaker, so it's accurate or not whether it be for music or movies. Are there more accurate subs? Sure. For $300? No (well, maybe, but with this combination of features, extension and output I don't think so unless you make your own). I like mine with music just fine as well as movies...

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I am new to Klipsch, and I have never owned any of their products. I am curious about this sub because the price is right it seems like people like it well enough. How would you guys say this sub is for music? I am looking for a sub for a small room, and my gear is an iMAC, USP-1, UPA-200, and Ascend Acoustics CBM-170se.
My budget is about $300, but may be able to go up to $400. Is this one of the better subs to get at this price range, for music use only? Thanks

If I was buying a sub for music and three or four hundred was my budget I'd get the Cadence CSX12 Mark II for $279 with free shipping.

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I am new to Klipsch, and I have never owned any of their products. I am curious about this sub because the price is right it seems like people like it well enough. How would you guys say this sub is for music? I am looking for a sub for a small room, and my gear is an iMAC, USP-1, UPA-200, and Ascend Acoustics CBM-170se.
My budget is about $300, but may be able to go up to $400. Is this one of the better subs to get at this price range, for music use only? Thanks

I use my RW12d between two La Scalas for 2.1 music . . . Performs extremely well for music in a 2.1 configuration or even when I use it for 7.1 music.  Gives addition of pleasant low end La Scalas are known to be insufficient in reaching.  The RW12D is supplementing low end bass nicely in music for me.


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I am new to Klipsch, and I have never owned any of their products. I am curious about this sub because the price is right it seems like people like it well enough. How would you guys say this sub is for music? I am looking for a sub for a small room, and my gear is an iMAC, USP-1, UPA-200, and Ascend Acoustics CBM-170se.
My budget is about $300, but may be able to go up to $400. Is this one of the better subs to get at this price range, for music use only? Thanks

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Not sure why you like the Cadence so much vs the Klipsch has anyone posted measurements? I pulled these from manufactures sites:
Cadence $400 now on sale $279
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Frequency response: 34 to 154 Hz: ±3 dB

The normally $650 Klipsch RW 12D now on sale $299
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FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 24-120Hz +/-3dB

I would love to see how that Cadence measures up anyone?

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Not sure why you like the Cadence so much vs the Klipsch has anyone posted measurements? I pulled these from manufactures sites:
Cadence $400 now on sale $279
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I would love to see how that Cadence measures up anyone?

U wonder how the Candence sub would match with the RW-12D?

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Was hoping one of you guys could help me with my decision to get this sub or not. I currently have Denon DHT-1312BA HTIB that I bought from a friend a few years ago for $250, back when it was close to $800 retail. Anyway, I have been completely satisfied with that setup, especially for $250, but was looking to make an upgrade to the sub woofer. I always feel like the sub is the most important part, and usually the bottleneck in any HTIB setup. For $299 and all the great reviews for the RW-12, I was thinking about purchasing this to begin the upgrade process.

I will slowly upgrade all the components of the HTIB but can only do one at a time given my finances. In your guys opinion should I be upgrading the subwoofer first, to the RW-12, or should I upgrade the receiver or something else first? I just want to upgrade the weakest componet of my htib first so nothing else gets overpowered by having an excellent sub but very weak speakers. Hopefully some of you who are more experienced then I could point me in the right direction. Thanks in advance.

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How about say 2,3,or 4 of these vs 1 HSU VTF-15H for movies in an acoustically treated 2100 cu foot room?

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As has been mentioned several times already, you'll have deeper extension with the HSU but more even distribution with several RW12d's.
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You have 30 days to try the HSU (though shipping it back would be quite an expense). "Real world" is hard to determine, but you're looking at 23Hz on the Klipsch and (maybe) 16Hz on the HSU. That's something you would notice.
I have a DSP that gets me down to 20Hz on the Klipsch, and I'm perfectly happy, especially since I wasn't eager to spend $1000 on a sub.
Of course, YMMV.

Went in a completely different direction. Ordered an XS15 from PSA. Thanks for answering my questions.

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In your guys opinion should I be upgrading the subwoofer first, to the RW-12, or should I upgrade the receiver or something else first? I just want to upgrade the weakest componet of my htib first so nothing else gets overpowered by having an excellent sub but very weak speakers. Hopefully some of you who are more experienced then I could point me in the right direction

Your AVR has a subwoofer pre-out. Yes, for a delivered price of $299.99. this is a "GREAT" upgrade to your system.

In my opinion, the two most important channels in a home theater system is the center channel and the subwoofer as 90% of dialogue goes through the center channel and of course, the all important 0.1 (LFE) channel is subwoofer dependent.

As to a weakness, trying to be encouraging in my comments, every part of anybody's system, is a weakness. Just saying, our $850.00 AVR is a weak link. We just recently upgraded our system, including the AVR and in my opinion, we need a separate amplifier as I can hear the capacitors getting drained during action based sound track sequences. The point, I don't want you to be discouraged by any "perceived" limitations in your system for in a sense of the word, everybody's system is limited.

The above being said, again, yes, your system will benefit with the addition of a Klipsch, RW-12d and at this price, this is the top dog of the price point.

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