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I haven't had to sign for anything. I left the front door unlocked and a note to please put my delivery in the house. I did this twice, once for the 2 RW-12's and the other for the 5 Ascend speakers. Both times they were neatly stacked inside the house.

If I lived in Waconia I might do that too. I live in the city and I wouldn't ever leave my door unlocked with a note on it.
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for those of you with dual rw12d's and have run audyssey, how hot are you running your subs in the receiver after you run audyssey? I ran audyssey and have my reciever setting to +12 and was hoping to have a little more bass. When I ran audyssey i had the subs set to -20 and it came out to the recommended +-3 after audyssey. thanks
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If I lived in Waconia I might do that too. I live in the city and I wouldn't ever leave my door unlocked with a note on it.

Yeah, I hear ya, sometimes I forget how nice certain aspects of living in a smaller city are. I'm sure I wouldn't do it either if I still lived in South Minneapolis.

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Just took delivery of mine yesterday. I also bought a Pioneer 1522K at Costco.smile.gif I don't need it either , but fun to have new toys.

God, I love impulse shopping:eek:
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for those of you with dual rw12d's and have run audyssey, how hot are you running your subs in the receiver after you run audyssey? I ran audyssey and have my reciever setting to +12 and was hoping to have a little more bass. When I ran audyssey i had the subs set to -20 and it came out to the recommended +-3 after audyssey. thanks

I'm running mine at +6. After running audyssey I was at +1 or +1.5 can't remember which. I know what you mean sometimes I feel the same way. Are you sure you have them located in a good spot? I know mine are not in the best place but they can only be in the two places I have them so i deal with it. Maybe when i move everything downstairs I can play with the placement more. One of my subs is at -23 and the other is at -16.

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If I tried that in my area, the subs - and everything else - would be gone!

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Ours arrived today......and the "Y" splitter which I just so happen to have three of.........is the wrong gender combination. eek.gif

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"Got mine today and did not have to sign for it.

Unfortunately, the port was completely detached on both ends so I need to RMA it"


I haven't read this whole thread yet, but, how is it that this is still a problem that wasn't resolved? Shouldn't there be a recall or something on this and how big of a problem is it?

Anyone know the percentage of how prevalent this issue is?

Starting to hope I didn't just make a bad purchasing decision. I like things to be perfect unfortunately. (OCD) Does this sub have a quality control issue or something, or is it just a problem with shipping subs via UPS that is the problem? I read the thread about NewEgg maybe dumping a pallet or something but that seems unlikely given that this issue has been common for almost 2 years now.

Also, is this a type of problem that could easily go un-noticed until you've used it for a couple months? That is, if you get one that you think is good, can it fall apart later, or is it the type of problem whereby if it isn't broke out of the box, you don't have to worry? Really starting to get nervous about this as it seems almost everyone has run into this issue.

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You will have to pay for a sex change. smile.gif

I was hoping to not have to do that. I looked through the spare cable box and found a fourth and fifth "Y" splitter. One was semi-cooperative. Not the best solution but splitting the attached stereo cable in half, using the morphed out "Y" splitter, I was able to get the sub up and running. Tomorrow I'll set up the recording gear and see what I can do to properly integrate this third sub into the subwoofer system.
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How good is 279 deal from newegg for this kind of subwoofer? Please explain. Ty

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Not trying to be overly dramatic but it's the best delivered deal that I'm aware of for this subwoofer, ever.

For us, with local sales taxes included, the delivered price worked out to $300.99.

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How good is 279 deal from newegg for this kind of subwoofer? Please explain. Ty

It's rated at 350 watts, CONTINUOUS, peaks over 800. With about the same FR as your Dayton, which is rated at 150.

If your room isn't that big, you may be happy with another Dayton.

But for "this kind of subwoofer," it's a great deal.


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"Got mine today and did not have to sign for it.

Unfortunately, the port was completely detached on both ends so I need to RMA it"


I haven't read this whole thread yet, but, how is it that this is still a problem that wasn't resolved? Shouldn't there be a recall or something on this and how big of a problem is it?

Anyone know the percentage of how prevalent this issue is?

Starting to hope I didn't just make a bad purchasing decision. I like things to be perfect unfortunately. (OCD) Does this sub have a quality control issue or something, or is it just a problem with shipping subs via UPS that is the problem? I read the thread about NewEgg maybe dumping a pallet or something but that seems unlikely given that this issue has been common for almost 2 years now.

Also, is this a type of problem that could easily go un-noticed until you've used it for a couple months? That is, if you get one that you think is good, can it fall apart later, or is it the type of problem whereby if it isn't broke out of the box, you don't have to worry? Really starting to get nervous about this as it seems almost everyone has run into this issue.

this sub is discontinued hince why its original 1000.00 price tag is marked down to 279.00. it was discontinued because of the faulty port design which there is a fix for.
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How good is 279 deal from newegg for this kind of subwoofer? Please explain. Ty

its the best bang for the buck sub around...better than the polk 505!! i almost bought 2 to replace my 505's but the wife wanted end tables next to our couches, so I bought dual psa xv15's and killed 2 birds with one stone. smile.gif
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CEA Standard 2 Meters SPL @ 32/40/50/63 Hz

$1200 B&W ASW-610: 96.1/101.5/105.9/108.9
$1600 Klipsch SW-311: 102.6/105.3/108.6/111.4
$300 BIC PL-200: 102.5/107.7/110.4/108.1 (HSU STF-2 clone)
$1,200 RBH SX-12: 108/111.1/113.7/112.7
$800 Power Sound XV15: 109.6/113.7/116.6/114.7
$800 Epik Empire: 109.7/113.2/116.4/119.2
$9,000 Paradigm Sig Sub2: 109.9/113.2/116.9/120.2
$900 Hsu VTF-15H: 113.0/115.7/115.7/115.6
$5,000 Velodyne DD18+: 113.0/115.8/116.8/115.3
$2,000 SVS PB13 Ultra: 115.5/117.5/117.8/116.6
$1,100 Chase HT VS18.1: 116.0/118.1/117.8/117.2
$1,200 Rythmik FV15HP: 117.0/119.5/119.1/118.8

Anyone have output numbers like that for the RW-12d? Thanks!
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Not trying to be difficult here, delivered, the sub is $300.00.

Yes, I saw the PL200 in the list but with this amount of scrutiny, it reads as if some have lager expectations out of this sub then it's capable of.

Here's what Klipsch has to say regarding your question: RW-12d: MAXIMUM ACOUSTIC OUTPUT: 116dB @ 30Hz 1/8 space, 1m

In my opinion, if all the positive user reviews posted on AVS have failed to impress one who has read this thread, then the RW-12d isn't their kind of subwoofer.

When I finish integrating the third subwoofer into the subwoofer system, I'll post the measured resulting frequency graph but I won't have a max reading. With two subs playing, I'm flat, +/-3db to 23Hz. A third sub was added with the intent of filling in the 80Hz null. Tomorrow I'll find out if that Rock-n-Roll dream will come through.



Disclosure; I'm running a full on Klipsch speaker system which currently, as of today, includes three Klipsch, 12" subwoofers. The two eighteen year old driver/radiator combinations were recently replaced with a Dayton driver/radiator combination.

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Disclosure; I'm running a full on Klipsch speaker system which currently, as of today, includes three Klipsch, 12" subwoofers.
 

And if you ever get your DSP hooked up, you can goose 20Hz by 6dB and get that much lower (on two out of three, at least).

So what are you waiting for? wink.gif


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Anti-Mode DSP is currently hooked up and the graph reflects the goosing. Looking forward towards tomorrow's effort at integrating the third subwoofer.

(sometimes I feel folks are wanting/expecting $1,500.00 worth of performance out of this $300.00 subwoofer)

I'd like to have three $1,500.00 subs in my system also. tongue.gif
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it was discontinued because of the faulty port design which there is a fix for.
You are the first person that I know of who has stated that. How did you find this out?

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Not trying to be difficult here, delivered, the sub is $300.00.

Yes, I saw the PL200 in the list but with this amount of scrutiny, it reads as if some have lager expectations out of this sub then it's capable of.

Not really my point of view. I am simply and mainly wondering how the RW-12d compares to the BIC in terms of these cold hard numbers. I have heard people go back and forth comparing these two $300 subs and I have never seen the numbers for both, so I was hoping to find them if possible.

I posted the whole list just because it was available. Also I was interested in the comparison to the other $1600 Klipsch sub which was worse than the BIC in two measurements.
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I posted the whole list just because it was available. Also I was interested in the comparison to the other $1600 Klipsch sub which was worse than the BIC in two measurements.

In my opinion, if one is going compare $1,600.00 subs, then that's what one should be comparing or things become clear as mud. One meter and two meter, open air tests, in my opinion are only good as a "generalized" starting point. Once a single sub is moved indoors, all bets are off because each sub's true capability are based on the acoustics of the room and how what they produce interacts in the room they're asked to perform in. It's understood from the gate that the anechoic tests are potential with the expectation of the room's acoustics being the final arbiter of a sub's performance.

As to a room's acoustics, it's pick your poison. Without room measuring capabilities so one is able to get the best out of their subwoofer system possible, anechoic tests are more an approximation of capability and in my opinion, having read countless reviews and posted commentary, all subs have potential. Now the question morphs into, how good are the setup skills of the owner of a particular subwoofer and how much effort are they willing to put into integrating their subwoofer into their room's acoustics?

Are they trying to make things work with one, two, three or four subwoofers? What kind of restrictions have they placed on the placement of the subwoofers they do have? The list becomes somewhat endless as to questions regarding subwoofers and proper integration of the chosen subs into their new environment.

Example our two subwoofer system. We have a "HUGE" (22dB) suckout at 80Hz. So if one were to ask, what's your sub capable of at 80Hz? I'd have to honestly state that as set up, it's a putz. As one views more and more publicly posted measuring graphs, a common thread develops, most rooms have terrible acoustics and this is reflected in the many terrible graphs that are posted in this forum. The point of the ramblings, other than a starting point, open air (anechoic) measurements are good to give an indication of "potential." But once a subwoofer is installed in a room, in my opinion, those initial measurements are meaningless and all bets regarding performance, are off.

Today, in a few more hours, I light a new candle, integrating a third subwoofer into our room's acoustics. I expect to be playing with this third sub and our system for a day to as much as two weeks. I haven't a clue what to expect with this third sub. Based on many graphs that I viewed, I expect to see something wonderful as historical viewing has personally shown that a three sub system is the beginning of a very nice measuring graph, addressing all the ills a room can present. Personally, like in the movie "2001: A Space Odyssey" I'm afraid because i haven't a clue how bad/good the graph will become.

In the case of this subwoofer, on literally countless occasions, it's been well received and reported on by forum members. It's all up to the buyer and how much effort they're willing to put forth in setup as just buying and placing a sub in a convenient location, isn't a honest subwoofer solution. In the case of this particular subwoofer, it's clearly been appointed the "TOP DOG" of this price point. And if one wants less, spend less and if one wants better, they're going have to spend more.

The point of the above ramblings, anechoic readings aside, a subwoofer system is only as good as the effort one is willing to put forth.

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In my opinion, if one is going compare $1,600.00 subs, then that's what one should be comparing or things become as clear as mud. One meter and two meter tests, in my opinion are only good as a "generalized" starting point. Once a single sub is moved indoors, all bets are off because each sub's true capability are based on the acoustics of the room and how what they produce interacts in the room they're asked to perform in.

As to a room's acoustics, it's pick your poison. Without room measuring capabilities so one is able to get the best out of their subwoofer system possible, anechoic tests are more an approximation of capability and in my opinion, having read countless reviews and posted commentary, all subs have potential. Now the question morphs into, how good are the setup skills of the owner of a particular subwoofer and how much effort are they willing to put into integrating their subwoofer into their room's acoustics?

Are they trying to make things work with one, two, three or four subwoofers? What kind of restrictions have they placed on the placement of the subwoofers they do have? The list becomes somewhat endless as to questions regarding subwoofers and proper integration of the chosen subs into their new environment.

Example our two subwoofer system. We have a "HUGE" (22dB) suckout at 80Hz. So if one were to ask, what's your sub capable of at 80Hz? I'd have to honestly state that as set up, it's a putz. As one views more and more publicly posted measuring graphs, a common thread develops, most rooms have terrible acoustics and this is reflected in the many terrible graphs that are posted in this forum. The point of the ramblings, other than a starting point, open air (anechoic) measurements are good to give an indication of "potential." But once a subwoofer is installed in a room, in my opinion, those initial measurements are meaningless and all bets regarding performance, are off.

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exactly what Tom at PSA said. Room gain depending on setup CAN add up to 6db of output from 1m ratings. part of the reason why i backed out of a single xs30 and went with dual xv15's. the xs30 looks great on paper but my rooms acoustics suck, and placement will be key to optimal response and output.
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You are the first person that I know of who has stated that. How did you find this out?

I should be clear that was not an offical report. digging thru old threads I found a read on it.
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Sorry that I'm so terrible at being pithy. I've amended my comments a bunch of times since your copy/paste and respond.

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In my opinion, if one is going compare $1,600.00 subs, then that's what one should be comparing or things become clear as mud. One meter and two meter, open air tests, in my opinion are only good as a "generalized" starting point. Once a single sub is moved indoors, all bets are off because each sub's true capability are based on the acoustics of the room and how what they produce interacts in the room they're asked to perform in. It's understood from the gate that the anechoic tests are potential with the expectation of the room's acoustics being the final arbiter of a sub's performance.

As to a room's acoustics, it's pick your poison. Without room measuring capabilities so one is able to get the best out of their subwoofer system possible, anechoic tests are more an approximation of capability and in my opinion, having read countless reviews and posted commentary, all subs have potential. Now the question morphs into, how good are the setup skills of the owner of a particular subwoofer and how much effort are they willing to put into integrating their subwoofer into their room's acoustics?

Are they trying to make things work with one, two, three or four subwoofers? What kind of restrictions have they placed on the placement of the subwoofers they do have? The list becomes somewhat endless as to questions regarding subwoofers and proper integration of the chosen subs into their new environment.

Example our two subwoofer system. We have a "HUGE" (22dB) suckout at 80Hz. So if one were to ask, what's your sub capable of at 80Hz? I'd have to honestly state that as set up, it's a putz. As one views more and more publicly posted measuring graphs, a common thread develops, most rooms have terrible acoustics and this is reflected in the many terrible graphs that are posted in this forum. The point of the ramblings, other than a starting point, open air (anechoic) measurements are good to give an indication of "potential." But once a subwoofer is installed in a room, in my opinion, those initial measurements are meaningless and all bets regarding performance, are off.

Today, in a few more hours, I light a new candle, integrating a third subwoofer into our room's acoustics. I expect to be playing with this third sub and our system for a day to as much as two weeks. I haven't a clue what to expect with this third sub. Based on many graphs that I viewed, I expect to see something wonderful as historical viewing has personally shown that a three sub system is the beginning of a very nice measuring graph, addressing all the ills a room can present. Personally, like in the movie "2001: A Space Odyssey" I'm afraid because i haven't a clue how bad/good the graph will become.

In the case of this subwoofer, on literally countless occasions, it's been well received and reported on by forum members. It's all up to the buyer and how much effort they're willing to put forth in setup as just buying and placing a sub in a convenient location, isn't a honest subwoofer solution. In the case of this particular subwoofer, it's clearly been appointed the "TOP DOG" of this price point. And if one wants less, spend less and if one wants better, they're going have to spend more.

The point of the above ramblings, anechoic readings aside, a subwoofer system is only as good as the effort one is willing to put forth.

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I don't disagree. But I still think it is legitimate to ask if anyone has the measurements, and to look at them.

(FYI I ordered an RW-12d on Tuesday and I am waiting for it to arrive at my house today via UPS.)
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I don't disagree. But I still think it is legitimate to ask if anyone has the measurements, and to look at them.

Definitely a legitimate question but just saying, personally speaking, that wasn't how your question and the list your question was coupled to, came across.

See your question in the light of an automobile and the auto you want to know about is the RW-12d and then plug into the list, a group of high performance cars for comparison purposes. Regarding the RW-12d, posting your question with a list of examples at that level of performance (the PL200 aside), made it look like your were hoping to find out if the RW-12d was capable of keeping up with the Big Boy subs.

Again, this is a personal reaction to your question and why I posted what I posted. Even in cases of budget minded products, hope springs eternal.

As to your new arrival, here's to you not being disappointed and good luck with your integration efforts. I see this sub as a special give away deal. Don't know or understand the why of it all but in my opinion, at this price point, this is a stellar product. But realizing this, I know it's up to the user and how well they can integrate this sub into their room's acoustics that's going be the final arbiter as to how well it performs.

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I guess it didn't occur to me to think of it that way, since the purpose of the original list being posted in the B&W thread was to point out that paying more doesn't always get you a better sub (and sometimes it gets you a much worse sub of course only going by spec measurements): compare these:

$9,000 Paradigm Sig Sub2: 109.9/113.2/116.9/120.2
$5,000 Velodyne DD18+: 113.0/115.8/116.8/115.3
$2,000 SVS PB13 Ultra: 115.5/117.5/117.8/116.6
$1,200 Rythmik FV15HP: 117.0/119.5/119.1/118.8

Thanks for your good wishes about my new sub, I am sure that it will be more than enough subwoofer for me as long as it arrives in one piece and in full working order.

It seems that Klipsch has a big inventory of these subs (it has been at giveaway prices on newegg since late 2012), and they were discontinued so no more in production. Maybe they were not selling as well as expected/desired for some reason and that is why they were discontinued? Or maybe Klipsch just wanted to introduce a new design?
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It seems that Klipsch has a big inventory of these subs (it has been at giveaway prices on newegg since late 2012), and they were discontinued so no more in production. Maybe they were not selling as well as expected/desired for some reason and that is why they were discontinued? Or maybe Klipsch just wanted to introduce a new design?

My understanding, Klipsch states on their web site; "No Longer Available." But one of the Klipsch provided information sheets was dated 2011 and folks here on AVS have been buying them all day long as you suggest, since late 2012. confused.gif The one I unpacked yesterday came across as brand new packing, not returned/sold-back-out refurbished.

My guess, Klipsch and Newegg have a promotional thing going as one can, for a hundred dollars more, buy them on Amazon. Or, it's possible that Klipsch manufactured a warehouse full of these subs and are in the process of cost dumping them to clear up space and we're the beneficiaries of this excess inventory.

Oh, and FYI, you can purchase the original, OEM amplifier for a delivered price of $169.00. For something that's discontinued, that's worth pondering.

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It had to be a new design. My old Reference series speakers got replaced with a newer line. And, from what I gather, there isn't a whole lot of difference. They're related enough where you can mix the old Reference line with the new line without issue (or so I have read).

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Well, I've decided to take some pics, and put my RW-12D for local sale. Hopefully, I will be able to sale it. I want a better sub, and i want to get the Power Sound XV30 rolleyes.gif The wife doesn't seem too happy about the idea, but she'll get over it lol.

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