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By 10dB?

That's his particular room and placement, too. I'd love to see a 1 or 2 m groundplane measurement but haven't as yet.

If you're asking what I mean by 10db, that's his scale on the left side. Increments of 10db (SPL). I thought it was by 5db so I was really amazed, but it's still pretty good at 10db

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It would probably/would be a good idea if I close mic’t it. That would be about the best I could do.. sure is fun to listen to though. Oh!.. Something else I have noticed is that the auto-on feature is very sensitive. No need to turn the master volume up to get it to engage and then back down.

Edit> Being rated at +/-3dB at 24Hz, it seems like a honest rating imo from what I see so far.

Close mic! Close mic! biggrin.gif

I see many people have gotten in-room measurements of the rw-12d, but no one has gotten 1m measurements. I'd love to compare it to the PA-150.

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Why's that?

We hear in the 1/12th smoothing range because we don't hear the niggles in a transient response. It was the forum subwoofer manufactures who recommended this setting and who's comments I'm trying to reflect in my above.
 

From the good folks at REW, who, you know, do more graphs than anyone: wink.gif

 

The 'standard' for graphs to be posted to this thread is as below. This is the same standard as used at HTS, home of REW and is designed to ensure compatibility and easy cross-referencing of posted graphs.

 

The preferred axis for ALL subwoofer graphs is:

VERTICAL = 45dB-105dB
HORIZONTAL = 15Hz-200Hz
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The preferred axis for full range graphs is:

VERTICAL = 45dB-105dB
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These values are defaulted into REW, but can easily change and must be set back to these axis for posting graphs.

 


Smoothing:

Smoothing should not be applied to subwoofer graphs. For full range graphs, 1/6-octave smoothing is beneficial.

The HTS graph standard is as below - you will see that they require logarithmic graphs, not linear:

 

But, again, getting OT.

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ok guys please help me, i have 2 subwoofer dayton 1200 and klipsch rw 12d. i am planning to sell my rw 12d for $150, do you guys think if i will sell it and add another dayton 1200 will be a good idea, do i still get a good bass?? so that i can matched it with my other dayton 1200. and klipsch no longer sells the rw 12d.

It has been listed as discontinued like this in the past. And then a month or so later, Newegg got stock back in. I'd either wait and see what happens, or do like BeeMan says and get a better sub to go with the RW-12d.

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From the good folks at REW, who, you know, do more graphs than anyone:

My comments do not apply to full range graphs but graphs used to measure and graph <150Hz measurements which is where our subwoofers shine.

There is no argument as I'm doing my best to repeat what a couple of the subwoofer manufactures shared with the forum. You're welcome to go with REW's recommendations and it would be fair for you to do the same as all I'm doing is posting where I'm getting my standards from; the folks who make the subwoofers we buy, who use measuring gear in the perfection of their craft.

FWIW, some use 1/6th smoothing as smoothing is a standard feature provided for by REW and is a standard feature used by subwoofer manufactures when representing their products measurements. Anybody is welcome to use what ever settings float their boat but there's personal settings and then there's the setting standards used by manufactures and we have free choice what settings we want to use. There is no argument.

(FYI, Newegg is showing the discontinued RW-12d.....back in stock)

And at a delivered price of $350.00 each, the buyer is limited to an order of up to five subwoofers.

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(FYI, Newegg is showing the discontinued RW-12d.....back in stock)

And at a delivered price of $350.00 each, the buyer is limited to an order of up to five subwoofers.

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Interestingly, if you try to order more than one, you get this message:

The quantity you’ve specified exceeds our available inventory or per customer limit and has been adjusted accordingly.

 

So you can get ONE.

 

Or they only have one! biggrin.gif


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My comments do not apply to full range graphs but graphs used to measure and graph <150Hz measurements which is where our subwoofers shine.

There is no argument as I'm doing my best to repeat what a couple of the subwoofer manufactures shared with the forum. You're welcome to go with REW's recommendations and it would be fair for you to do the same as all I'm doing is posting where I'm getting my standards from; the folks who make the subwoofers we buy, who use measuring gear in the perfection of their craft.

FWIW, some use 1/6th smoothing as smoothing is a standard feature provided for by REW and is a standard feature used by subwoofer manufactures when representing their products measurements. Anybody is welcome to use what ever settings float their boat but there's personal settings and then there's the setting standards used by manufactures and we have free choice what settings we want to use. There is no argument.

(FYI, Newegg is showing the discontinued RW-12d.....back in stock)

And at a delivered price of $350.00 each, the buyer is limited to an order of up to five subwoofers.

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This is beginning to read like an NFL quarterback saying; for real, I'm really going retire this year.....well, unless they throw a butt-load of cash on the table and then I might reconsider getting thrown on my back more times in a season then a Las Vegas hooker.

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Ha ha..Who was the quarterback that did that? I remember, but not the name.

I see this Thread has taken a little turn considering my graph.. WELL smile.gif You ought to see how they used to look! In fact I was even called graph extraordinaire a few times... LOL That I admittedly am not! Example>


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Ha ha..Who was the quarterback that did that? I remember, but not the name.

I see this Thread has taken a little turn considering my graph..

Just to be clear, I've been careful not to personalize my comments and my comments are intended only in a general, generic sense, based on what others have shared, and nothing more.

If I've failed in my above effort (intent), my apologies.

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Just to be clear, I've been careful not to personalize my comments and my comments are intended only in a general, generic sense, based on what others have shared, and nothing more.

If I've failed in my above effort (intent), my apologies.

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I for one don't take it wrong. It is what it is.. I would rather laugh at myself than go down a different road is all. wink.gif

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I would rather laugh at myself than go down a different road is all. wink.gif

I don't need to laugh at myself.....I know too many people willing to that for me. tongue.gif
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Lol. Definitely Brett Farve

LOL.

I'm not mentioning any names......tongue.gif

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Lol. Definitely Brett Farve

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lol.



hahaha this one is great




okay I'm done. Back on topic

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hahaha this one is great




okay I'm done. Back on topic

Now that's hilarious eek.gif Dang... Ha ha ha I'll be laughing all day every time I think of it.

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It has been listed as discontinued like this in the past. And then a month or so later, Newegg got stock back in. I'd either wait and see what happens, or do like BeeMan says and get a better sub to go with the RW-12d.

OK thanks. i will keep my rw 12d.

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if anyone in NY area, i am selling my rw 12d. only pick up. planning to buy another dayton 1200.
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ok guys please help me, i have 2 subwoofer dayton 1200 and klipsch rw 12d. i am planning to sell my rw 12d for $150, do you guys think if i will sell it and add another dayton 1200 will be a good idea, do i still get a good bass?? so that i can matched it with my other dayton 1200. and klipsch no longer sells the rw 12d.

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Quit using the Dayton and try just the RW-12d for a while. And by a while I mean longer than a few minutes.

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Good advice. Don't use the Dayton for a week or two. Get used to the RW-12d by itself and you might not be so hip on the Dayton any more. smile.gif

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I just got mine in yesterday and could only tinker w/ it for a bit. I ran YPAO on my Yamaha RX-V2067 w/ the Klipsch RW-12d and my other sub, a Yamaha YST-RSW300, and it gave some different readings compared to when I had ran it before using only the Yamaha sub.

Is there a general recommended setting to set the crossovers at? I think I adjusted to have all the speakers set to small and have the mains at 80hz w/ the surrounds at 100hz.

Any other fine tuning you all might suggest?
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My subwoofer has been unused for a while due to me making a new desk, thus no room for speakers. Today I plugged it al up and it sounds AWFUL what should I do? It seems to have blown and ais my more quiet, it's in the same position as it was last time and I'm using the same temporary desk... frown.gif
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I just got mine in yesterday and could only tinker w/ it for a bit. I ran YPAO on my Yamaha RX-V2067 w/ the Klipsch RW-12d and my other sub, a Yamaha YST-RSW300, and it gave some different readings compared to when I had ran it before using only the Yamaha sub.

Is there a general recommended setting to set the crossovers at? I think I adjusted to have all the speakers set to small and have the mains at 80hz w/ the surrounds at 100hz.

Any other fine tuning you all might suggest?

Depending on your front stage, crossovers should "generally" be at 80 Hz. Higher, and the low frequencies become localizable. Lower is okay if your fronts can handle it, but usually not recommended. What you have is probably fine.

I assume, if you have options for sub placement, that you've already done the "sub crawl" and the two subs are in their respective best locations.

The subs need to be "level matched." Ideally, using an SPL meter or an SPL smartphone app (the numbers aren't critical, it's the RELATIVE level that's important), play a test tone at, say 60 Hz. Using one sub at a time, adjust the volume control on the first sub to, say 75dB. Turn that sub off and do the same for the second sub. Now turn both subs on and NEVER TOUCH THEIR VOLUME CONTROLS AGAIN. If you need to change the sub level, use the setting on your AVR.

Using the same SPL meter and the same test tone, go to the "distance" setting for the subs on your AVR. Add several feet to the setting and see what happens to the output. Adjust the distance setting to maximize the output. It has been suggested to start by adding 12 feet. I'm sorry, but I don't remember why. My AVR has adjustments to 1/2 inch. Needless to say, even as anal as I am, I didn't bother getting it that close, but I was amazed at the range in output (>10dB!).

There are other tests for phase, but they are more involved. If you change your seating position and notice a dramatic change in bass response, you may need to pursue that.

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My subwoofer has been unused for a while due to me making a new desk, thus no room for speakers. Today I plugged it al up and it sounds AWFUL what should I do? It seems to have blown and ais my more quiet, it's in the same position as it was last time and I'm using the same temporary desk... frown.gif

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I see that it's been added to newegg.ca. It was never there before, and as a Canadian, I was unable to order from newegg.com. However, it's out of stock. Lol. I was thinking of getting a 3rd, maybe 4th. It's funny, that they would add the product finally, but be out of stock. They have it listed at 356.99 reg 1019.99 plus tax and $46 shipping. We tend to get shafted in the country for electronics. Lol
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Depending on your front stage, crossovers should "generally" be at 80 Hz. Higher, and the low frequencies become localizable. Lower is okay if your fronts can handle it, but usually not recommended. What you have is probably fine.
I assume, if you have options for sub placement, that you've already done the "sub crawl" and the two subs are in their respective best locations.
The subs need to be "level matched." Ideally, using an SPL meter or an SPL smartphone app (the numbers aren't critical, it's the RELATIVE level that's important), play a test tone at, say 60 Hz. Using one sub at a time, adjust the volume control on the first sub to, say 75dB. Turn that sub off and do the same for the second sub. Now turn both subs on and NEVER TOUCH THEIR VOLUME CONTROLS AGAIN. If you need to change the sub level, use the setting on your AVR.
Using the same SPL meter and the same test tone, go to the "distance" setting for the subs on your AVR. Add several feet to the setting and see what happens to the output. Adjust the distance setting to maximize the output. It has been suggested to start by adding 12 feet. I'm sorry, but I don't remember why. My AVR has adjustments to 1/2 inch. Needless to say, even as anal as I am, I didn't bother getting it that close, but I was amazed at the range in output (>10dB!).
There are other tests for phase, but they are more involved. If you change your seating position and notice a dramatic change in bass response, you may need to pursue that.
One last thing:
CRANK IT UP!
Enjoy.

Thx for the help! I don't really have much sub placement options. Right now, they're sitting in the living room, under the screen and seperated by a TV stand I use to put my CC on.

I had to max out the Yamaha sub's volume and set the AVR to output to 5db more than the Klipsch.

Using test tones from ths Spears & Munsil HD Benchmark Blu-Ray 2nd Edition and the AVR, I was able to earball it to get what sounds like pretty even output.

I'll have to try your recommendations for calibrations them but I'm still not understanding what level I should set the subd volume at compared to what I tell the AVR to output. Any advice there?

I'm going to start investing in calibration and measuring equipment but don't really have anything yet. What do you recommend?
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What do you recommend?

A laptop.

A USB measuring microphone.

A downloaded copy of REW measuring software from Home Theater Shack.

A USB cable and stereo RCA cable to bring it all together.

The USB cable is to connect the measuring microphone to the laptop and the stereo RCA cable is to connect the laptop's headphone output to the AVR so one can play frequency sweeps for measurement purposes.

A good source for the microphone is Parts-Express who's website is experiencing technical difficulties. I hope this tornado/storm outbreak didn't hit their shop. What happen was terrible and was region wide.
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I'll have to try your recommendations for calibrations them but I'm still not understanding what level I should set the subd volume at compared to what I tell the AVR to output. Any advice there?

I'm going to start investing in calibration and measuring equipment but don't really have anything yet. What do you recommend?

Personal preference. Most of us like bass a little "louder" than the rest (i.e., once you have measuring equipment, your frequency response at the low end will be a few dB higher than the rest [<60Hz]). "Earballing" it is fine, for now. wink.gif

 

This is a great guide to help you with REW. Assuming you have a laptop with HDMI output, your "investment" is <$100. And welcome to a whole new aspect of the hobby/addiction.

http://www.avsforum.com/attachments/69040


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