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Hi Everyone.

I've got a bit of a decision to make. I have a HT in my basement, large open room (13'x30'x8') which has an ajoining large opening to the side as well (probably 10x15 which also leads upstairs).

Anyways, I live in Canada so the prospect of shipping a ULS15 here (with freight and import fees and tax) comes to within about 15% of a new Paradigm Sub 12 - kind of ridiculous considering the starting price for the ULS is so much lower than the paradigm. So thoughts as far as performance for 99% HT?

Also the necessity of a smaller sealed unit is key due to the WAF.

Thanks guys.
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I'd go with an SVS SB13-Ultra, available up here in Canada through SonicBoomAudio.com. smile.gif


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I had a very similar situation, except with SVS PC -12 Ultra and Paradigm SUB 12. I tried to like the SVS, but the Paradigm blew it out of the water for only a couple hundred dollars more. I also was able to directly compare it to a Paradigm Ultracube 10 and a Paradigm Servo 15.

Also, the single largest difference I've ever noticed in a subwoofer was after a PBK-1 calibration. That alone would be reason enough to go Paradigm IMHO. Absolute night and day difference from an already amazing sub.

I have a SUB 12 and you will not regret it. Two amps, 1700 W RMS, PBK-1 compatible, fairly small footprint, and it's without question the best sub I've ever owned or heard.

You should be able to get 15-25%+ off of that SUB 12. Paradigm speaker/sub markups are almost exactly 95% here in Canada so there is always plenty of room for dealing.

I tried a lot of subs and did a lot of A/B comparisons. The SUB12 was the only one that gave me that extremely tight smack-you-in-the-chest bass for movies that I wanted. It's great for music, too, but I use it for 99% HT. It has more than double the power of most comparable subs which is probably a big reason for that.
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Also, the single largest difference I've ever noticed in a subwoofer was after a PBK-1 calibration. That alone would be reason enough to go Paradigm IMHO. Absolute night and day difference from an already amazing sub.
A "FWIW" anecdote:
A buddy of mine bought a SUB 12 for his new HT. Set it up, calibrated it, loved it. Shortly thereafter, he had the opportunity to buy a gently-used Servo-15v2 (1,200W RMS, 15" driver, no PBK) off a another friend. I was around when he brought it to his place and, along with a third friend, we A/B'd the two subs.

Thanks to PBK, the SUB 12 did have a very slight edge over the Servo-15 in terms of "tightness" and accuracy, but the Servo-15 - while almost as "tight" and accurate - dug noticeably deeper and hit just a bit harder. The three of us easily and unanimously agreed that the Servo-15 was the better sub. My buddy sold his nearly-new SUB 12.

FWIW. And, as always, YMMV. smile.gif


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My comparison was with the Servo 15 V1, so it is possible the Servo 15 V2 is roughly as good as the newer SUB12 (louder, not as tight). The Servo 15 at the time was regarded as one of the best subs in the world if I recall. I remember seeing it tested against subs costing $20,000 and comparing favorably.

They also make a SUB15 biggrin.gif
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The Servo-15v1 was an excellent sub - the other buddy who was with us used to own one. The v2 was even better and quite a bit more powerful (1,200W RMS vs. 400W RMS in the v1).

I guess my point in my previous post was: I wouldn't easily discount an SVS sub with a 1,000W RMS (3,600W peak) amp, DSP and that awesome 13.5" Ultra driver in it. smile.gif
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I can't comment on the Ultra-13 SVS but I had the PC-12 Ultra lined up with all the Paradigms, and the Paradigm Ultra-Cube 10 was even better in some ways (IMHO). The bigger Paradigms blew it away. I ended up returning the unit to SVS after much technical support and even some replacement parts. SVS customer service was top notch but in the end I was not satisfied with the product compared to similar priced equivalents in my particular setup.

With nearly double the power, I would venture a guess that a PBK'd SUB15 would be a lot better than a SVS SB13 Ultra. The SUB15 also plays almost twice as low if spec sheets are to be believed (12Hz vs 20Hz). I would have to hear them both though, of course, to come to any definitive conclusion for myself.

I also was not aware the Servo 15 V2 had so much more power - I wish I could have heard that! I bet it's still one of the better subs available, especially for the price!

I will have the brand new Monitor SUB 8 soon as part of my 2.1 computer/desktop set up along with some MilleniaOne 2.0's and I am curious to how it will sound.
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I can't comment on the Ultra-13 SVS but I had the PC-12 Ultra lined up with all the Paradigms, and the Paradigm Ultra-Cube 10 was even better in some ways (IMHO). The bigger Paradigms blew it away. I ended up returning the unit to SVS after much technical support and even some replacement parts. SVS customer service was top notch but in the end I was not satisfied with the product compared to similar priced equivalents in my particular setup.
With nearly double the power, I would venture a guess that a PBK'd SUB15 would be a lot better than a SVS SB13 Ultra. The SUB15 also plays almost twice as low if spec sheets are to be believed (12Hz vs 20Hz). I would have to hear them both though, of course, to come to any definitive conclusion for myself.
I also was not aware the Servo 15 V2 had so much more power - I wish I could have heard that! I bet it's still one of the better subs available, especially for the price!
I will have the brand new Monitor SUB 8 soon as part of my 2.1 computer/desktop set up along with some MilleniaOne 2.0's and I am curious to how it will sound.

SB13 is a powerful sub.
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SVS customer service was top notch but in the end I was not satisfied with the product compared to similar priced equivalents in my particular setup.
That's a very good reason for returning the SVS and going with the Paradigm. No point buying something you're not satisfied with.
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With nearly double the power, I would venture a guess that a PBK'd SUB15 would be a lot better than a SVS SB13 Ultra. The SUB15 also plays almost twice as low if spec sheets are to be believed (12Hz vs 20Hz). I would have to hear them both though, of course, to come to any definitive conclusion for myself.
I've read that Paradigm's extension specs are a bit optimistic; nevertheless, if I were choosing between an SB13-Ultra and a similarly-priced (if that were even possible) SUB 15, I suspect I'd most likely pick the SUB 15. smile.gif


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ds4003, I don't know what price you can get on the Sub 12 but have you had a look at Funk Audio? He's a Canadian company so we actually get cheaper pricing then US customers and he makes some pretty amazing subs.
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ds4003, I don't know what price you can get on the Sub 12 but have you had a look at Funk Audio? He's a Canadian company so we actually get cheaper pricing then US customers and he makes some pretty amazing subs.

+1 this. For a high powered sealed sub in Canada, Funk Audio would be my first choice by far.
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ds4003, if you don't mind can you shoot me a PM with the prices you've been given on the SUB 12? I'm just wondering what your budget is.
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Hey everyone, thanks for the ideas. I'm looking into Funk atm - was anyone browsing their selection last January when they had their funk sale? They're supposed to be doing it again this January but I was wondering what kind of deals they may be offering.

As for the Paradigm Sub-12, unbeknown to me they've jacked their MSRP up by 40% from $1999 to $2799 (a Sub 12 for the old price of a Sub 15, yay). Though I can still get a decent discount off the new MSRP it's a whole lot of dissapointing that they increased the price so much on a 3 year old model.

Oh, and incase anyone was curious the Sub-15's new MSRP is $3999. That's for the matte black, add $200 to either for the Gloss black.
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Nathan @ Funk Audio mentioned to me that the best value (performance/cost) of his subs is the 18.1. I really thought about getting one but the height of the sub (27") was just too much for me.
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Yea, the physical size will have a large impact on the wife's approval, which is why I'm wanting to stick to a sealed box even with the large room.
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Check out the Funk Audio 18.0C then. Considering its an 18" driver its a fairly compact sub. And they're awesome looking subs so it would have high WAF. You're looking at $1750 shipped with a grill. $1650 if you didn't want a grill and just wanted to stare at that beautiful 18" driver!...lol
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Yea I was looking at that actually, and the 18.0 passive. I have access to a NU3000DSP Behringer and had the thought of using that for the 18.0. Their in-house sub in the 18.0 seems to have received some good praise, though that was always with their in-house amp as well.
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Rumour has it that Data bass will be conducting tests on some Funk subs...I myself am in the market for a new Funk and would take the 18.0c in a heartbeat over the Svs or Hsu...I'd say stay tunned especially for us in Canada.....wink.gif

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Also been seriously eyeing the Funk 18.0C but the paucity of good, exhaustive reviews or in depth writeups on them is a little off putting. They should try attending some of these sub shootouts that occur on these boards like Mr Seaton has! (hint hint!) wink.gif
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what did you end up getting????? do tell us good sir, and regale us with tales of magnificent bass!!

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Interesting comments about the Paradigm SUB12, I demoed it and the SUB15 and wasn't overly impressed. I ended up getting an SVS PB13-Ultra which absolutely destroys the SUB15 IMO.
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Would best interested in what you picked as well. I have 18.0C on order, can let you know more details when I get it.
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