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Speaker Ownership – Your Path to Satisfaction

One of the best resources available for researching subwoofers: Data-Bass

GOAL OF THIS THREAD
To provide an organized focal point for anyone interested in hearing AVS members experiences with the subwoofers they have owned through the years. A timeline of ownership and a brief summary of each member’s personal journey and lessons learned through experience is intended to assist others in avoiding buyer's remorse or a never ending case of upgraditus.

FORMAT

Timeline
Keep this short and to the point.

About My Journey
Tell us a bit about what you had to go through to reach sub satisfaction.

Lessons Learned / Advice
This is where you can expand on your "if I knew then what I know now" spiel in an attempt to help people save time and money by not making the same mistakes that you had to go through to reach your satisfaction level.

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If you always seem to get the SAME questions asked about your setup, post them here to avoid any unnecessary PM's.
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Important Note

When making an update to your journey, please be sure to click on your name in the consolidated list below. This will bring you directly to your original post with your detailed journey. We need you to edit your original post so people can reference your entire journey, not just your most recent upgrade.

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CONSOLIDATED LIST

*Note* Click on a name below to learn more about that members journey.

ack_bk: Current(2013) - DIY Dayton DVC385-88 15" x 4
AJ72: Current(2013) - JTR Captivator 2400 x 2
anthonywoy: Current(2013) - Funk Audio 18.0C x 1
Archaea: Current(2013) - Captivator Pro x 2
bass addict: Current(2013) - DIY Stereo Integrity HT18" x 6
beastaudio: Current(2013) - DIY Stereo Integrity HT18" x 8 + RE XXX 18" x 2
Big Injun Chief: Current(2013) - lilmike F-20's w/Dayton Ultimax 15" x 2
blake18: Current(2013) - Klipsch RW-12d x 2 & Sunfire HRS-12 x 2
Brian Fineberg: Current(2013) - Power Sound Audio XS-30 x 2
BrolicBeast: Current(2013) - Seaton Submersive F2 x 2
CVetan1: Current(2013) - JTR Cap S1 x 2
damelon: Current(2014) - Seaton Submersive/Slave Combo
deepat04: Current(2013) - SVS SB12 x 2
desertdome: Current(2013) - DIY Infinite Baffle, AE IB15" x 8
dharel: Current(2013) - Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX x 1
dmcleod: Current(2013) - JL Audio F113 x 1
DotJun: Current(2013) - JTR Orbit Shifter LFU x 1
drewTT: Current(2013) - JL Audio F11X x 1
edgeh2o: Current(2013) - Nothing!
edoggrc51: Current(2013) - DIY LMS Ultra x 4
eljaycanuck: Current(2013) - ChaseHT SS-18.1 x 2 w/ Dayton SA1000 amp
fuzz092888: Current(2013) - LMS Ultra x 2
GoCaboNow: Current(2013) - DIY Infinite Baffle, Fi 18" x 4
Gorilla83: Current(2013) - DIY Dayton HO 18" x 8 in 4 DO Boxes + SI HT 18" x 4
grymok: Current(2013) - MK Sound MX350 x 1
Ironhead1230: Current(2013) - Seaton Submersive HP & F2
J: Current(2013) - JTR Orbit Shifter x 1
jlpowell84: Current(2013) - Seaton Submersive HP x 2
Jon S: Current(2013) - DIY Dayton 315HF 12" x 1 & 390HO 15" x 1
kbarns701: Current(2013) - Seaton Submersive F2 x 2
kgveteran: Current(2013) - Adire Tumults x 4 & Dayton 12" x 2
ledgema: Current(2013) - Klipsch KW-100 x 2
Lesmor: Current(2013) - KK 808 Quattro Stack x 1
lewdogg: Current(2013) - Seaton Submersive HP x 1
Linkwitz Riley: Current(2013) - DIY Dayton HF 12" & 15" with a PR's x 2
lukeamdman: Current(2013) - DIY Gjallerhorn x 2 + DIY Othorn x 2
Luke Kamp: Current(2013) - DIY Stereo Integrity 18" x 4
mastermaybe: Current(2013) - DIY Dayton HO 18" x 4
maxmercy: Current(2013) - THT x 2
mjaudio: Current(2013) - DIY craziness. Just check his post...
MKtheater: Current(2013) - Fi IB3-18" x 8
N8DOGG: Current(2013) - Too much to list!
nb67: Current(2013) - SubM x 2 & DIY DO Dayton HO 18" x 2
nube: Current(2013) - DIY Fi Car Audio SSD 15" x 4
NWCgrad: Current(2013) - DIY Dayton HO 18" x 4
Ozzie Isaac: Current(2013) - Rythmik FV15HP x 1
pasisti: Current(2013) - SVS SB12-NSD x 1
petew: Current(2013) - DIY Sealed MFW 15" x 4
popalock: Current(2013) - DIY Stereo Integrity 18" x 16
raynist: Current(2013) - PSA Triax x 3
Reefdvr27: Current(2013) - Power Sound Audio Triax x 2
rhed: Current(2013) - JTR Captivator S2 x 4
RMK: Current(2013) - JTR Orbit Shifter x 2
robertcharles: Current(2013) - DIY LMS 5400w/PR's x 4 (Potentia Maximus) & DIY SI 18" x 2
SeaNile: Current(2013) - CHT SS-18.2 x 2 & CHT SS-18.1 x 4
spddy101: Current(2013) - Outlaw LFM Plus x1
stangdriverdoug: Current(2013) - Velodyne HGS 15" x 1
steve nn: Current(2013) - DIY Mal-X 18" x 2
Toymachyne: Current(2013) - DIY Dayton HO 18" x 4
wkingincharge: Current(2013) - HSU Research ULS-15 Dual Drive x 1
wlhungdude: Current(2013) - HSU VTF3 x 2
youngaudiolover: Current(2013) - SVS pb12 nsd x 1 (Kid is 17 and been through 10 HT subs!)

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Timeline
2002 - JL Audio W3 12" (Car Audio)
2004 - MTX Audio 9500 12's x 2 (Car Audio)
2009 - Definitive Technology Supercube Reference
2010 - JL Audio W6 12" (Car Audio)
2012 - DIY TC Sounds LMS-Ultra 18's x 2
2013 - DIY Stereo Integrity 18's x 16

About My Journey
Subwoofers have always been my favorite part of the audio scene. I remember when I was 9 years old my grandma took me to McDonalds for lunch one Saturday. I was chillin in the slide of the play palace when all of a sudden the entire plastic slide sounded like some sort of pressure vein. My vision was blurred for a few seconds and I didn't realize what was going on... until I noticed accross the street they were having a car audio SPL competition. So started my obession of subwoofers.

Over the years I've owned some small car steup's with my first serious one in 2004. Loved car audio, but eventially got over it when my passion for audio started evolving to the Home Audio scene. With my limited experience in the Home Theater environment, my first serious home sub was from Best Buy. My Definitive Technology Supercube Reference seemed like a good purchase at the time. The only other subs at the time really on my radar were the JL F113 and the Veoldyne DD18+ and they were WAY to expensive for my taste.

On to today. I got back into being active on AVS because I wanted to find other alternatives than having to purchase another DefTech Supercube Reference for bass. I started extensive research on AVS and found that the LMS Ultra is one of the best performing subs on the market today. A few videos of them in action convinced me that this was THE sub for me!

Lessons Learned / Advice
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I just wonder why no one has responded to this thread, must be the Holidays. smile.gif
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I just wonder why no one has responded to this thread, must be the Holidays. smile.gif
Maybe?
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  1. B&W ASW610 
  2. B&W ASW610 (added second sub)
  3. SVS PC12-NSD
  4. SVS PC12-NSD (added second sub)
  5. Seaton Submersive F2 (x2)

 

I would never go back to using just one sub - the benefits of two are so worthwhile in my room and IMO. Now I have the dual Submersives, I believe my sub journey has ended.

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I would never go back to using just one sub - the benefits of two are so worthwhile in my room and IMO. Now I have the dual Submersives, I believe my sub journey has ended.

Agreed. I am a massive fan of multiples as well.
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  1. [*] B&W ASW610 
    [*] B&W ASW610 (added second sub)
    [*] SVS PC12-NSD
    [*] SVS PC12-NSD (added second sub)
    [*] Seaton Submersive F2 (x2)

 



I would never go back to using just one sub - the benefits of two are so worthwhile in my room and IMO. Now I have the dual Submersives, I believe my sub journey has ended.

 

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Updated 04-30-2013 to include links to the Dedicated room build sections that are applicable. The DD-18's and initial JL Audio Fathoms were purchased before I built out the dedicated space and so my HT Build thread does not reference these. smile.gif
  1. Velodyne DD-18
  2. Velodyne DD-18 X2
  3. JL Audio Fathom X4
  4. JTR Captivator X2, Danley TH-SPUD X2
  5. JTR Orbit Shifter X2

There were other subs along the way but the above were the most notable. I had quad subs on two different occasions and with very different configurations but was never completely happy with either of those setups.

The dual Orbit Shifters do everything I ask of them and more. I can't see ever upgrading subs again.


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There were other subs along the way but the above were the most notable. I had quad subs on two different occasions and with very different configurations but was never completely happy with either of those setups.
The dual Orbit Shifters do everything I ask of them and more. I can't see ever upgrading subs again.
Thanks to Kbarnes for simplifying the format of this Thread. smile.gif

I was, and still am, thinking about orbit shifters one day... Talking to Archaea and Luke it sounds like they are unrivaled. I'd love to hear them one day soon.

My apologies for the overly complicated format. The intent was for others read input from those that have reached bass nirvana, such as yourself, to help them skip the BS purchases.

I'll take the time to simplify it more. Thanks for the input RMK.
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RMK,

Your post is a perfect example of what I brlieve would help out most people that are in the same boat that I was a year ago. Drueling over the JL F113 as if it was the end-all-be-all king of subs. Granted, it's a great piece of gear, I think you would agree that if you knew then what you know now you would have skipped over this purchase entirely.

Especially given that a single shifter, while comparable in price (MSRP $3,999ish) to a single Fathom, probably has enough output to rival all 4 of the Fathoms put together.
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Your post is a perfect example of what I brlieve would help out most people that are in the same boat that I was a year ago. Drueling over the JL F113 as if it was the end-all-be-all king of subs. Granted, it's a great piece of gear, I think you would agree that if you knew then what you know now you would have skipped over this purchase entirely.
Especially given that a single shifter, while comparable in price (MSRP $3,999ish) to a single Fathom, probably has enough output to rival all 4 of the Fathoms put together.

Actually when I bought the Fathoms the OS's were not yet designed so the point is moot. It is only recently that JTR, Seaton and Danley have started offering complete systems that do what I want done in my HT. The system I have today cost a small fraction of what I had "invested" back when I had the Fathoms.

You are correct that had they been available and/or had I known about these high efficiency designs, I would have skipped that expensive step in my systems evolution. smile.gif

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Actually when I bought the Fathoms the OS's were not yet designed so the point is moot. It is only recently that JTR, Seaton and Danley have started offering complete systems that do what I want done in my HT. The system I have today cost a small fraction of what I had "invested" back when I had the Fathoms.
You are correct that had they been available and/or had I known about these high efficiency designs, I would have skipped that expensive step in my systems evolution. smile.gif

I'm assuming the same would be said about your mains as well? Alas, that is for a different thread...

So, given your first hand experience, would you say that my statement regarding 1 OS vs 4 Fathoms is generally accurate?
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I'm assuming the same would be said about your mains as well? Alas, that is for a different thread...
So, given your first hand experience, would you say that my statement regarding 1 OS vs 4 Fathoms is generally accurate?

As much as I value a great subwoofer(s) the speakers are critical in a balanced high performance audio system.

Since I didn't compare them directly it's difficult to say. My feeling is 1 OS would have more output than 4 Fathoms but, 4 Fathoms properly placed might sound better (especially with music) than a single OS.

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Not sure how I missed this thread. I guess I haven't been swaying outside the DIY section too often lately. biggrin.gif

Timeline
Began like many others in car audio. I worked at a car audio shop for a few years while in school. I've had WAY too many setups to count them individually - but it's easily been over 100 different setups. I've used and tested offerings from JL, MTX, Rockford, Sony, Kenwood, pioneer, precision power, memphis, etc. I used to install in my free time for extra cash while in school as well.

House subwoofer journey - I'm not sure I can remember specific dates for each:
Klipsch RW-12
Polk PSW505A
CHT 18.T w/ EP4000
eD a5-350 (current)
Energy S10.3 (current)
JTR Captivators X2, ported and passive with Crown XLS5000
Epik empires x 2 (current)
DIY Dual opposed dayton 18's x 4 with Sanway FP14K clone (current)

Lessons Learned / Advice
For anyone like me that has an insatiable bass appetite but lacks the funds to buy enough commercial offerings to satisfy their needs, give DIY a try. It's not for everyone, it might even ruin your marriage, but man it sure is gratifying. biggrin.gif
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I started out with just surround sound and eventually heard a dedicated theater at a shop and was hooked. The first 4 subs were from 2001-2004 and the rest were from 2005-present. When I had the 3 SVS subs I thought it was great and then for some reason I wanted to just try a big driver in a horn. The amount of spl I got from 25hz and above was mind boggling but also missed the low end of the SVS subs(tuned to 16hz but went to 13hz in room). I wanted both and asked Ed Mullen what I needed to hit the same levels with the same deep end and the answer was at least 8 SVS subs so he recommended DIY and LLT so I researched it. I basically just went lower and lower keeping the same spl and trying different ways of getting there.

I learned that you need to know what your goals are(I said the same thing in the speaker thread) and if you don't then you will just continue to upgrade. I also learned that once you have enough spl for a given system the response and extension will determine the sound quality and if that is the same then the sub systems will sound more alike than different. Comparing one sub to another is totally different than comparing subs systems to one another.

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Surrounds- Dual stacked BFM W10's
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For anyone like me that has an insatiable bass appetite but lacks the funds to buy enough commercial offerings to satisfy their needs, give DIY a try. It's not for everyone, it might even ruin your marriage, but man it sure is gratifying. biggrin.gif

I cracked up when I read this...
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Dual BIC F12's
Outlaw LFM-1 EX
Outlaw LFM-1 Plus
Power Sound Audio Dual XV-15's

Presently, I have Dual Power Sound Audio XV-30's and I am completely satisfied.

I liked all the subs, but I wanted more, More and MORE!! and now I have it.
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Dual BIC F12's
Outlaw LFM-1 EX
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Power Sound Audio Dual XV-15's
Presently, I have Dual Power Sound Audio XV-30's and I am completely satisfied.
I liked all the subs, but I wanted more, More and MORE!! and now I have it.

Reedvr,

I was able to hear the XV-15 at a GTG and thought it sounded great! 2 XV-30's = 4 XV-15's correct?

Haha, I bet you are satisfied for sure.
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I can't promise anything yet, but it's possible I've reached my satisfaction level.

Just picked up my 16 18" subs from Stereo Integrity.

I didn't want any pics posted in this thread, but a few pics of the pick up can be found here.

I'll start a build thread soon.
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I can't promise anything yet, but it's possible I've reached my satisfaction level.
Just picked up my 16 18" subs from Stereo Integrity.
I didn't want any pics posted in this thread, but a few pics of the pick up can be found here.
I'll start a build thread soon.

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If there are reports of an earthquake on the East Coast in the near future, I suspect it will originate from popalock's house!!!

Will deinitely be subscribing to that thread. Seriously though, do you expect structural damage to your house?
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My journey so far:
Polk PSW10 (came free with my Polk rti series speakers and was a real POS)
Polk PSW505 (a step up from the above but I should have learned after the first Polk sub)
eD A2-300 (now we are talking, it was a revelation after the Polk subs)
PA-150 (bought it to play around with, still have it and am giving it to my brother-in-law)
HSU VTF-15H (a beast of a sub)

Now I am going DIY and am building 4 x 3.8 cu ft sealed subs using 15" Dayton DVC385-88 drivers and will be powered by an iNuke3KDSP.

If all goes well I plan on selling the Hsu and potentially building another 2 to 4 more of the above Dayton's powered by another iNuke. So 6-8 15" subs total.
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I can't promise anything yet, but it's possible I've reached my satisfaction level.
Just picked up my 16 18" subs from Stereo Integrity.
I didn't want any pics posted in this thread, but a few pics of the pick up can be found here.
I'll start a build thread soon.

Humm, 16 18" drivers ... that sounds about right as long as the room isn't too big. tongue.gif

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Humm, 16 18" drivers ... that sounds about right as long as the room isn't too big. tongue.gif

14'l x 13.5'w x 8'h

Forgot what that comes out to? Around 1,400ft^3 IIRC. My space does open to a hallway though, so it's not enclosed.
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14'l x 13.5'w x 8'h
Forgot what that comes out to? Around 1,400ft^3 IIRC. My space does open to a hallway though, so it's not enclosed.

Dude, 1400 cubes, for real? You will be FINE with 8 drivers. Beyond fine, even by our standards. See you in the morning!
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14'l x 13.5'w x 8'h
Forgot what that comes out to? Around 1,400ft^3 IIRC. My space does open to a hallway though, so it's not enclosed.

Wow, slightly over 1500^3 (check your math tongue.gif) and only 16 of those 18"'s. That's a bit over 1 driver per 100CF. You're not going to be able to get spontaneous nose bleeds with those paltry numbers. You should double down and snag another 16 of those 18's just to be sure you've got it covered. smile.gif

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Wow, slightly over 1500^3 (check your math tongue.gif) and only 16 of those 18"'s. That's a bit over 1 driver per 100CF. You're not going to be able to get spontaneous nose bleeds with those paltry numbers. You should double down and snag another 16 of those 18's just to be sure you've got it covered. smile.gif

Remind me to invest some more cash in underwear companies... Popalock is going to be hitting brown note levels for sure biggrin.gif
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