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Hi All!

I've got 2 Velodyne F-1800Rs from around 1995-96 that are getting a bit long in the tooth and are in need of replacements. One has died completely - have had it in the local shop 3-4 times and they just can't get it working - it works fine until it warms up, then it will keep cycling the power off/on. The other will hum every once in awhile, turning the volume knob up or down seems to stop the humming, but it always returns. I think it may be on it's last legs, too.

I just ordered a new receiver (Denon 2113ci, first in about 7-8 years) and now have the "Home Theater Upgrade Fever"! wink.gif

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Mains: Klipschorns (will probably be my mains for the rest of my life wink.gif )
Center: Klipsch, dunno the model off the top of my head, but it's BIG. "6 or 8" drivers with a horn in the middle. Also purchased around 1995
Surrounds: 4 Polk Audio dipoles (also from '95 or so)

My room is LARGE, about 18'x24' but is also open to the kitchen, about another 15'x12'. Then there's the hallway....yeah, it's a big space to fill with bass.

Is it even worth my time to try and fix my ancient Velos? Do the subs from this millenium sound that much better (I'm assuming they do)?

My plan is to buy one new sub for now, mate it with my one remaining working Velo, then buy another (of the same) in 6 months to a year.

Budget (for the single sub) is anywhere from $1K - $1.5K, but would like to keep it under $1K - cheaper is always better for the WAF. wink.gif

Looking forward to your recommendations!
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Is this your center channel? If so, it's a Klipsch, KV-4. I purchased one about the same time as you did.



My recommendation is to go to Newegg and before the promo ends, order up a pair of RW-12d subwoofers: $600.00.
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My room is LARGE, about 18'x24' but is also open to the kitchen, about another 15'x12'. Then there's the hallway....yeah, it's a big space to fill with bass.
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My plan is to buy one new sub for now ... then buy another (of the same) in 6 months to a year.
Budget (for the single sub) is anywhere from $1K - $1.5K, but would like to keep it under $1K ...
- PSA XV15 ($799, shipped)
- HSU VTF-15H ($879 + shipping)
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Is this your center channel? If so, it's a Klipsch, KV-4. I purchased one about the same time as you did.

My recommendation is to go to Newegg and before the promo ends, order up a pair of RW-12d subwoofers: $600.00.

Yup, that's my center channel right there!

That Newegg deal is tempting...you think 2 of those would fill my big space? Almost tempting to get 4 at that price.
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- PSA XV15 ($799, shipped)
- HSU VTF-15H ($879 + shipping)

Thanks Eljay. I've seen both those recommended a lot around here.
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Bang for the buck - especially if you're planning to go buy-one-now-add-one-later-on duals - either of these subs is a pretty solid bet.

Pushing up toward the higher end of your budget, you could also consider:
- Rythmik FV15 or FV15HP
- PSA XS30 or XV30
- SVS PB12-Plus

(Buy one now, add one later on.)
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If you (and the wife) can handle a cylinder, then this sub will make you weep for joy.

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/cylinder/pc13-ultra#.UMkUWOe9KSN

Of course, that's pushing the edge of your budget. But it's an amazing sub. Just check out some of the reviews.

If a cylinder just won't cut it, then perhaps one of SVS's more conventional boxes? Or maybe a Rythmik?
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Bang for the buck - especially if you're planning to go buy-one-now-add-one-later-on duals - either of these subs is a pretty solid bet.
Pushing up toward the higher end of your budget, you could also consider:
- Rythmik FV15 or FV15HP
- PSA XS30 or XV30
- SVS PB12-Plus
(Buy one now, add one later on.)

Eljay - are those two XV15s in your theater room?

Very nice looking setup, BTW!
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Eljay - are those two XV15s in your theater room?
Nope, those are dual ChaseHT SS-18.1s - 18" passive subs powered by a 475W/ch. Dayton SA1000 subwoofer amp. I like 'em. biggrin.gif

(PSA wasn't even around when I bought my subs a little less than 2 years ago.)
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Very nice looking setup, BTW!
Thanks! smile.gif
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That Newegg deal is tempting...you think 2 of those would fill my big space? Almost tempting to get 4 at that price.

The recommendation was intended to stay within the confines of your base budget. If wanting to fill your room with bass, based on what you posted, I'd step up to a pair of SVS, PB12-NSD or larger. But as the output goes up, so does the budget.
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The recommendation was intended to stay within the confines of your base budget.
FYI, the OP's budget...
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... (for the single sub) is anywhere from $1K - $1.5K, but would like to keep it under $1K ...
Dual PB12-NSDs would easily fall within his budget. As would dual Rythmik FV15/HPs, etc. smile.gif
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You should consider the Danley DTS10 kit. You're fully horn loaded now and like it enough to not change. So don't change, go horn loaded with the base too! I'm using them with my LaScalas and it's a beautiful thing!

BTW, I went from a 1995 F1500R to these.

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You should consider the Danley DTS10 kit. You're fully horn loaded now and like it enough to not change. So don't change, go horn loaded with the base too! I'm using them with my LaScalas and it's a beautiful thing!
BTW, I went from a 1995 F1500R to these.

I don't think I have seen anything that can rival the performance of that DTS-10 kit for the price. Crazy stuff.. I say if you can make the size work in your room this would be the way to go.
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I don't think I have seen anything that can rival the performance of that DTS-10 kit for the price. Crazy stuff.. I say if you can make the size work in your room this would be the way to go.

Ok, you got my interest. Damn you. biggrin.gif

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You should consider the Danley DTS10 kit. You're fully horn loaded now and like it enough to not change. So don't change, go horn loaded with the base too! I'm using them with my LaScalas and it's a beautiful thing!
BTW, I went from a 1995 F1500R to these.

Wow...I can't even find out what that thing costs anywhere on their site (kit or built), but I seriously doubt the wife would accept that ginormous box in our living room. eek.gif That thing is HUGE! Very interesting, none the less...and something to do a bit more research on I think.

RIght now, I think it's between the XV15 or the PB12-NSD - I had no idea you could get so much sub for so little money these days. Not that that is "a little" money, but you know what I mean. I paid almost $2500 in '95 for my 2 Velos! eek.gif

Both are almost the same price, and I could probably get a pair right away and not break the budget, just accelerate the process a bit. biggrin.gif

So, of these two choices (XV15 or PB12-NSB), which should I buy? Let's vote!
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With that budget I would definitely try for a pair of subs. If you can DIY you have tons of options for insane output and extension. You still have very good commercial options as well of course. I think a pair of Outlaw EX's would be a good choice for $1500 shipped

https://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfmEX.html

The sub's been extensively tested, so you know exactly what you're getting

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I would vote for a pair of XV15s, that was going to be my setup until I orders a pair of XS30s. So I might be a little bias wink.gif
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I would vote for a pair of XV15s, that was going to be my setup until I orders a pair of XS30s. So I might be a little bias wink.gif

That's also over his budget. Also, interestingly enough, the EX completely holds its own against the larger XV15

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Not if Tom has some B stock kicking around. Or if he's not in a hurry and could wait for some B stock.
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What exactly is he gaining trying to get a deal on the XV15 when the measured data shows no performance gain?

He already can get a pair of EX's for $100 off ($1200)
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I'm not saying the EX's aren't a good sub for the money, I just think when you buy from an internet direct company you're buying into the company as much as the actual subs. I think you'd be extremely hard pressed to find anyone to have anything bad to say about Tom from PSA's customer service.And I've read both reviews from Audioholics, and while the numbers are close for both subs I still get the impression that Josh Ricci is saying "for the money" the EX is a great sub. Yet the impression I get from his review on the XV15 is that its just a flat out great sub. Just go and review the conclusions that he writes about the subs. Of course this is all subject and and with his budget I'm sure there are a lot more other "great" options available to him.

He could also go with a single XS30 and still be less then the price of two EX's.
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I get that you're a big fan of the company, and there isnt anything wrong with the products (they are really nice), but what you favor is not always going to be what's best for everyone's situation.

A single XS30 will not have greater output over 2 EX's.

OP, you can still double up on subs in the future as well, as there really isnt a limit on the number of subs one can incorporate.
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Jay I totally get what you're saying and I don't disagree, but at the same time what makes you such a big fan of the LMF1-EX's?
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And according to Tom from PSA a single XS30 has (almost) the same output as two XV15s.
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So, of these two choices (XV15 or PB12-NSB), which should I buy? Let's vote!

Based on Ricci's test data, definitely the PB12-NSD. Layered in front of the AVR provided room analyzer, if you don't have Audyssey, MultEQ XT32, I would encourage the addition of a DSPeaker, Anti-Mode, 8033S II to help integrate the pair of subs into the room's acoustics.
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Value might mean different things to different people. But I suggest looking over the reviews in question very carefully before proclaiming their are no "performance differences".

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I (will soon) have Audyssey MultiEQ XT with my Denon 2113ci (coming Monday). Will this be "good enough"? Buying a new receiver and subs will be it for me this year I think (WAF). smile.gif

I think there may be some confusion as to my budget:

I originally said $1K-$1.5K per sub. But, after some research (and number crunching), I'm going to revise that to under $1K per sub.

Now, of course, cheaper is always better. And looking at the options you guys have given me, I think I can get away with $1K-$1.5K for BOTH subs! That's just awesome for me! More money for other upgrades (DSPeaker?).

Narrowed down to these three:

https://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfmEX.html ($1380/pair/shipped)
http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/ported-box/pb12-nsd ($1540/pair/shipped)
http://www.powersoundaudio.com/products/xv15 ($1600/pair/shipped)
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Value might mean different things to different people. But I suggest looking over the reviews in question very carefully before proclaiming their are no "performance differences".
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One more question:

How will these subs "of the new millenium", even though they have smaller drivers and enclosures, compare to my 17 year old 18" Velodynes? Will they just equal their performance, or will I be blown away by the increase in performance??
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