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post #1 of 15 Old 01-01-2013, 02:58 PM - Thread Starter
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I am pretty new to this forum, but have been reading this forum religiously and other links and reviews lately, trying to decide on what is the best subwoofer for me and my situation. I have recently upgraded my speakers a bit. I currently have two Klipsch KF-28 floorstanding speakers for my fronts (dual 8" and a horn), Klipsch C2 center channel (dual 5.25" and a horn), and though they aren't hooked up yet, I am moving my Klipsch B2 bookshelves to the rear surrounds (5.25" and a horn). They are all driven by an older Yamaha 100x5 receiver which will probably be upgraded in the near future because it doesn't even do Dolby Digital. While my new floorstanding speakers are awesome, I still feel the need for that deep bass during movies and a bit more punch during music. I would say I am about 60% home theater and 40% music, and when I am alone I like to play my music and movies pretty loud, my silly Iphone SPL meter app which isn't perfect, but gives me an idea that I listen to stuff around 85 to 90 dbs at my seat 8ft away from speakers. I don't think I am a die hard audioholic like a lot of people on here, and I am not sure how attuned I am to the sound, so it leaves me wondering how much money I should spend on my subwoofer. I am attaching pictures of my living room (I know it is not much of an entertainment center or anything, but bare with me here, I am working on it), it is 21x16x9 feet, so just over 3000 cubic feet, but is pretty open to the kitchen, hallway, and another small office. Part of me wants to buy the Klipsch RW-12D on NE for $350 right now, it seems like a very good bargain to get my foot in the door with a subwoofer and maybe see if I need more. I really like the idea of the electronic controls on the top of it too so I can switch setups between movies and music easily. But I am afraid that is not going to fill my room up enough for me. On the high end of my money spectrum, I really like the reviews and looks of the HSU VTF-15H. I just don't know how much to invest and get what I want out of this stereo system. I am also entertaining the idea of getting two subwoofers to help smooth out the room response. Can someone help me out with some good recommendations? I think I have provided nearly all the data I can to help you guys help me. This has been giving me a headache for days!

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Always go as big as you can possibly afford when it comes to subwoofers. The kliosch RW-12D and the HSU VTF15 really shouldn't be mentioned in the same paragraph.

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Well the idea of the RW12D is to get a subwoofer and see if I need more volume, deeper bass, or what I need for my room, since I have no idea.
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That turns into a very expensive proposition. Ask me how I know.... Buy it once, buy it right.

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In other words, you might want to consider going as big as possible on the first attempt and possibly have a little more than you need instead of a little less.

How big or you go or how many you go is totally up to you.

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The new PSA XV15 is a pretty good deal. 799 shipped, American made parts and American built.
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The new PSA XV15 is a pretty good deal. 799 shipped, American made parts and American built.

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The XV15 also got product of the year award from Audiohlics
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I did roughly the same thing. I bought a Klipsch Sub-12 as my first "good enough" sub when it was on sale at NE... 3 months later I sold it and bought an Epik Empire. As was already mentioned, do it right/ do it once. You won't regret it.
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The RW-12d is a good option at ~$300 (when on sale), which also makes getting duals a relatively inexpensive proposition.

Dual SVS PB-1000s ($499/ea., shipped) are another good, and relatively inexpensive, option.

The XV-15 is a well-regarded and pretty potent sub that will dig deeper and hit harder than the RW-12d or the PB-1000. It costs more, but it will deliver more. IMO, buy one now, and if it really isn't enough for your needs, get another one later. Two XV-15s in your space should not leave you wanting. smile.gif
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Looking at your room you should get two subs. I wouldn't spend money on one "glorious" sub that's being recommended to you. Someone suggested two PB-1000's, that's probably a better way to go than one VTF-15. Sure the VTF-15 will go lower, that's about it, you won't have good bass in that room with one sub and no amount of EQ you might attempt to apply will help.
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I just recently bought a rd-12d... should I go dual or one Outlaw or something else in the $600 price range?
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My comment was merely trying to say that the large HSU is in another league when compared to the Klipsch. The Klipsch RW-12 is a great sub at $300-350. Jthirdeye, I would add another RW-12 and never look back. Two RW-12's is VERzy hard to beat in the $600 price range. It really depends on your room though..

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I just recently bought a rd-12d... should I go dual or one Outlaw or something else in the $600 price range?
If you're looking for more output and smoother frequency response at the listening position, get a second RW-12d. If you're looking for better extension and (perhaps also) more output, sell the RW-12d and invest in a different sub.
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Looking at your room you should get two subs. I wouldn't spend money on one "glorious" sub that's being recommended to you. Someone suggested two PB-1000's, that's probably a better way to go than one VTF-15. Sure the VTF-15 will go lower, that's about it, you won't have good bass in that room with one sub and no amount of EQ you might attempt to apply will help.

Do you know what the dB a single SB-1000 can put out in the 20-31hz range and 40-63hz range? I'd be interested to know.

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