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sandydankness's Avatar sandydankness 12:05 AM 04-25-2014

Wow, sold out again?  The folks at NXG should up their production capacity if they wanna make some real cash.  These things sell like hotcakes.



laserjock II's Avatar laserjock II 03:46 PM 05-01-2014
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I got that email the other day. They are estimating availability as 8 weeks from now...

James004's Avatar James004 05:20 AM 06-13-2014
Jim,

Do you have any plans to review thew F-12 or the PL-200?

Regards,
James

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No offense Jim, but I feel your review lacks credibility as far as budget subwoofers are concerned. You praise the NXG as being the best, but you have admitted to never hearing th F-12, PL-200 or PA-120 (recalling other threads). How can you make opinion/statement on budget subwoofers if you have never even heard the others that are highly regarded in the same class?

And this is not intended as a personal attack; I would be very interested in reading your reviews on the others too.


Making a comment like 'lacks credibility' and then trying to backpedal with 'is not intended as a personal attack' are clearly contradictory statements. But assuming for a minute that your intentions are indeed honorable...

I have an abundant frame of reference on budget subwoofers. That's how I got started in this business, and it's a product category I still review to this day, so there's a lot of historical perspective for me to draw from. And to clarify; not hearing every subwoofer in a particular price segment is irrelevant. That's like saying someone who writes about inexpensive cars has no credibility because he hasn't driven all of them, or at least the ones that you've deemed to be the standard bearers. That last part is significant, because who is to say the 3 you mention actually are the leaders in this market? The F-12 does sell a lot, and seems to have quite a few satisfied owners, but the PL-200 and PA-120 are not huge sellers. They may be good subwoofers but their market share isn't very large, so I'm not sure they constitute the yardstick you seem to feel they do.

I'd also like to know where I said the NXG was the best. I did say "I would have absolutely no problem recommending" it, a sentiment I still maintain, but at no time did I ever say it was the best. There is no such thing - in any category for any product - because different people while have different wants and needs. Given that, there can never really be a best of anything. 'best' is too nebulous for me to use.

JimWilson's Avatar JimWilson 06:55 AM 06-13-2014
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Jim,

Do you have any plans to review thew F-12 or the PL-200?

Regards,
James
Sort of; BIC sent me an H-100.

They told me the F-12 and PL-200 had plenty of press already but the H-100 doesn't, so they asked me to look at that one instead. I have it sitting in my other room already, so I'll probably publish that in July.
James004's Avatar James004 08:07 AM 06-13-2014
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Sort of; BIC sent me an H-100.

They told me the F-12 and PL-200 had plenty of press already but the H-100 doesn't, so they asked me to look at that one instead. I have it sitting in my other room already, so I'll probably publish that in July.

Thank you. It looks promising. Designed by HSU and specs of Frequency Response: 24Hz - 200Hz (+/-3dB)

non of there other models give the +/-3db in there stated freq response.
It is strange how they have so many similar models.
squash42's Avatar squash42 06:56 PM 06-25-2014
FYI - received from NXG support this evening...

Just wanted to give you the heads-up that the NX-BAS-500 subwoofer is now back in stock at U.S. our distributor.
It should be available immediately from our internet resellers and very soon from our local stocking dealers.
We have an Amazon marketplace partner that is authorized but Amazon themselves are not at this time.

Regards,
NXG Support
Docethic's Avatar Docethic 07:29 PM 06-25-2014
I checked all the online retailer they list on the nxg site but all still have zero stock, is there another option to check other than amazon and the 4 retailers listed on the site?
Bond 007's Avatar Bond 007 07:46 PM 06-25-2014
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I checked all the online retailer they list on the nxg site but all still have zero stock, is there another option to check other than amazon and the 4 retailers listed on the site?
No, I dont believe so.
squash42's Avatar squash42 09:27 PM 06-25-2014
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I checked all the online retailer they list on the nxg site but all still have zero stock, is there another option to check other than amazon and the 4 retailers listed on the site?
It's available now on Amazon from AV House

http://www.amazon.com/NXG-Technology...ef=pd_sxp_f_pt
zeez's Avatar zeez 10:55 AM 06-27-2014
Hi guys,

I'm considering this subwoofer (or building one of my own) for my setup but am not in a rush to spend money at this time. I currently have the following equipment:

Onkyo TX NR807
Infinity Primus P362 x 2
Infinity Primus C350
Infinity Primus P163 x 2 (yes, I ended up buying the surrounds late, so they are the "new" version)

The room I have everything in is roughly 18'x18.8', and I'll upload a floor plan if that helps. Ceilings are 9 ft. Floor is carpeted. One long wall is glass and steel and leads to a balcony, while the opposite side has an open bar leading to the kitchen and a foyer leading to the front door. It's not an exact square, and the main viewing/listening area is closer to being 10'x12' with the rest of the area for dining.

Would this sub suit the room? From what I've read on Avsforum and what a friend tells me, if I'm not spending $500-600+ on buying/building a sub then it isn't worth it. I've given serious consideration to that and thought I would wait things out and use the P362 towers for bass, as they supposedly get down to 38Hz. Sadly, I am missing something..I gave away an old HTiaB (onkyo sr 800 I believe) and therefore do not have the included sub anymore and I do feel there is a difference.

I'm hesitant to get a large sub, unless I can do what one avsforum member did and incorporate it into a side table (link). However, they seem rather large for the space I have, based on the existing furniture.


Another possibility is this. On a side note, how long can I make the legs on a down-firing subwoofer? What do I gain/lose in my quest for a side-table sub?

Based on the list of budget subs (link there are a few other options I was looking at, including the various offerings from BiC. Most of these are available below $300, but supposedly have MSRP of $4 - 600.

Thanks!

EDIT: hmm the edit function is not letting me clean this up...
gonzo64's Avatar gonzo64 02:52 PM 06-27-2014
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Originally Posted by zeez View Post
Hi guys,

I'm considering this subwoofer (or building one of my own) for my setup but am not in a rush to spend money at this time. I currently have the following equipment:

Onkyo TX NR807
Infinity Primus P362 x 2
Infinity Primus C350
Infinity Primus P163 x 2 (yes, I ended up buying the surrounds late, so they are the "new" version)

The room I have everything in is roughly 18'x18.8', and I'll upload a floor plan if that helps. Ceilings are 9 ft. Floor is carpeted. One long wall is glass and steel and leads to a balcony, while the opposite side has an open bar leading to the kitchen and a foyer leading to the front door. It's not an exact square, and the main viewing/listening area is closer to being 10'x12' with the rest of the area for dining.

Would this sub suit the room? From what I've read on Avsforum and what a friend tells me, if I'm not spending $500-600+ on buying/building a sub then it isn't worth it. I've given serious consideration to that and thought I would wait things out and use the P362 towers for bass, as they supposedly get down to 38Hz. Sadly, I am missing something..I gave away an old HTiaB (onkyo sr 800 I believe) and therefore do not have the included sub anymore and I do feel there is a difference.

I'm hesitant to get a large sub, unless I can do what one avsforum member did and incorporate it into a side table (link). However, they seem rather large for the space I have, based on the existing furniture.


Another possibility is this. On a side note, how long can I make the legs on a down-firing subwoofer? What do I gain/lose in my quest for a side-table sub?

Based on the list of budget subs (link there are a few other options I was looking at, including the various offerings from BiC. Most of these are available below $300, but supposedly have MSRP of $4 - 600.

Thanks!

EDIT: hmm the edit function is not letting me clean this up...
yea its back in stock...is this worth consideration......im thinking of getting one my self.........anybody own one so can have some feed back on this......
gonzo64's Avatar gonzo64 02:54 PM 06-27-2014
yea its back in stock...is this worth consideration......im thinking of getting one my self.........anybody own one so can have some feed back on this......thanks....
Bond 007's Avatar Bond 007 03:36 PM 06-27-2014
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yea its back in stock...is this worth consideration......im thinking of getting one my self.........anybody own one so can have some feed back on this......thanks....
Try reading this thread.
JimWilson's Avatar JimWilson 04:39 PM 06-27-2014
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Originally Posted by zeez View Post
Onkyo TX NR807
Infinity Primus P362 x 2
Infinity Primus C350
Infinity Primus P163 x 2 (yes, I ended up buying the surrounds late, so they are the "new" version)

The room I have everything in is roughly 18'x18.8', and I'll upload a floor plan if that helps. Ceilings are 9 ft. Floor is carpeted. One long wall is glass and steel and leads to a balcony, while the opposite side has an open bar leading to the kitchen and a foyer leading to the front door. It's not an exact square, and the main viewing/listening area is closer to being 10'x12' with the rest of the area for dining.

Would this sub suit the room? From what I've read on Avsforum and what a friend tells me, if I'm not spending $500-600+ on buying/building a sub then it isn't worth it. I've given serious consideration to that and thought I would wait things out and use the P362 towers for bass, as they supposedly get down to 38Hz.
I have a passing familiarity with the NXG sub, so I'll take a crack at this one...

Given your room is about 3000 ft^3 my guess is it would be a bit overwhelmed. It will definitely work, and provide bass your towers simply can't, but that much space will leave little in the way of headroom and you might find it runs out of breath when you crank the volume. A pair would certainly be better but then you're getting into the $500 range where you can start looking at an SVS PB1000 or Rythmik LV12R. That would be a different decision then.

What are your goals for this sub? HT, music, some combination of both perhaps? Do you enjoy loud volumes or are your listening habits more subdued?
zeez's Avatar zeez 05:19 PM 06-27-2014
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post
I have a passing familiarity with the NXG sub, so I'll take a crack at this one...

Given your room is about 3000 ft^3 my guess is it would be a bit overwhelmed. It will definitely work, and provide bass your towers simply can't, but that much space will leave little in the way of headroom and you might find it runs out of breath when you crank the volume. A pair would certainly be better but then you're getting into the $500 range where you can start looking at an SVS PB1000 or Rythmik LV12R. That would be a different decision then.

What are your goals for this sub? HT, music, some combination of both perhaps? Do you enjoy loud volumes or are your listening habits more subdued?

Hi Jim, thank you for replying.

I listen to music and watch movies, so it will have to serve a dual role. I don't feel that I blast the volume very high, but that is a relative statement to make. If it helps, please note that the volume indicator on the receiver rarely displays a value higher than -27db when watching movies. Generally, I keep it below -30db. For music, I have not checked.. but I think the same volume levels would apply.

My goal would be to have the lower frequencies covered with accuracy, not spend a lot and be able to feel something when the bass is going. I think that is something that I am missing at this point. The down-firing, front-ported subwoofer that came with the Onkyo Sr-800 had the following specs (according to onkyo):

10" driver
bass reflex enclosure
built in 230 watt amplifier
(10 7/8)w x (20 1/16)h x (16 7/16)d

I remember being able to feel bass. Scenes I can think of include the following:

1) The Golden Compass: The dirigible parking in the city
2) Revenge of the Sith: Opening scene when they fly between two starships
3) Superman Returns: The pulse when the lights go out
4) ST- First Contact: medley of shots when the borg are over-running the ship.. two borg get shot down and then the third has adapted and shielded itself.. i really felt a zing when that happened.

There are others, but those are the clearest in my head right now.

here is a rough sketch of the room.. it's not to scale



EDIT: ps, I downloaded the Reference 2 Bass disc that some members kindly created to try and see how they sound. I had some issues and not all the scenes actually had audio, but it didn't seem too bass-y.
JimWilson's Avatar JimWilson 05:54 PM 06-27-2014
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I listen to music and watch movies, so it will have to serve a dual role. I don't feel that I blast the volume very high, but that is a relative statement to make. If it helps, please note that the volume indicator on the receiver rarely displays a value higher than -27db when watching movies. Generally, I keep it below -30db. For music, I have not checked.. but I think the same volume levels would apply.
Given you listen at fairly restrained levels a single NXG might suffice, but don't expect the deep bass to loosen your fillings. I would suggest you set the crossover on your AVR for 60Hz though, so as not to stress the speakers.
gonzo64's Avatar gonzo64 10:10 AM 06-28-2014
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Try reading this thread.
well then...is this a sealed sub or is it ported.........
Bond 007's Avatar Bond 007 10:17 AM 06-28-2014
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well then...is this a sealed sub or is it ported.........
Post #14 on Page 1 has a link to Jim Wilsons review.
zeez's Avatar zeez 02:02 PM 06-28-2014
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Given you listen at fairly restrained levels a single NXG might suffice, but don't expect the deep bass to loosen your fillings. I would suggest you set the crossover on your AVR for 60Hz though, so as not to stress the speakers.
Hmm. I'm going to try listening at higher volume for a few nights and see how worried I get about the speakers, my ears and my neighbors. I'm at -15db now and I don't know if it's practical to do this all the time.. Given the relatively close distance I think this may be a max. My lady may kill me, too. Will update.
JimWilson's Avatar JimWilson 02:20 PM 06-28-2014
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Hmm. I'm going to try listening at higher volume for a few nights and see how worried I get about the speakers, my ears and my neighbors. I'm at -15db now and I don't know if it's practical to do this all the time.. Given the relatively close distance I think this may be a max. My lady may kill me, too. Will update.

Well, if you don't update us then we'll know what happened...
zeez's Avatar zeez 10:26 AM 07-02-2014
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Well, if you don't update us then we'll know what happened...
-15db is definitely too loud.. it is great to hear the surrounds so loud, but it also begins to tire me out very quickly, and I find that I can't leave it at that volume because if there are any spikes in the audio then it is too much. I could never watch the opening cannonade of Master & Commander at that level, for example. I think this sub will probably do it for me, unless I build one.

One last question which I felt was not fully covered in your review.. does it get as low as it claims to do? Is it very accurate?
bargugl's Avatar bargugl 10:54 AM 07-02-2014
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-15db is definitely too loud.. it is great to hear the surrounds so loud, but it also begins to tire me out very quickly, and I find that I can't leave it at that volume because if there are any spikes in the audio then it is too much. I could never watch the opening cannonade of Master & Commander at that level, for example. I think this sub will probably do it for me, unless I build one.

One last question which I felt was not fully covered in your review.. does it get as low as it claims to do? Is it very accurate?
For how low it goes, take a look at the test results in this review:
http://www.nxgtechnology.com/images/...500_review.pdf

One caveat, even though he is using CEA-2010, Brent Butterworth's methodology and equipment are such that his track record shows his numbers are higher than what many others report using the same CEA-2010 standard. The only measurements I would directly compare his to are his own for other subs and not use them as a point of comparison to test results from other reviewers for other subs. Brent did test the PB-1000 so it is fair to compare his measurements for both subs. This should give a framework of relative performance difference in terms of output at given frequencies
http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...r-measurements.

The tests do show the NXG starts to roll off below 30 hz. There is output at 20hz but it is substantially lower and depending on the room and set-up may or may not be very audible. For reference, each 10 db difference is generally perceived as a doubling in volume to the human ear. at 20 hz, the PB-1000 can be over twice as loud.

I haven't heard the NXG so I can't comment on accuracy.
JimWilson's Avatar JimWilson 01:40 PM 07-02-2014
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One last question which I felt was not fully covered in your review.. does it get as low as it claims to do? Is it very accurate?

Its accuracy was discussed in the review; for the money I thought it did very well, and didn't come across as a 'one note' subwoofer. NXG claims 18Hz, but I didn't experience that myself. I found solid output into the mid 20's, so with room gain you can expect a little better, but don't count on too much below that. Pretty typical though - most inexpensive subwoofers don't plumb the depths all that well.


gonzo64's Avatar gonzo64 02:45 PM 07-02-2014
so all in all from what im gathering the nxg is a very good sub for the 260 price tag.......
Bond 007's Avatar Bond 007 03:58 PM 07-02-2014
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so all in all from what im gathering the nxg is a very good sub for the 260 price tag.......
Did you even read the review?
JimWilson's Avatar JimWilson 04:03 PM 07-02-2014
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so all in all from what im gathering the nxg is a very good sub for the 260 price tag.......

I felt it was.

gonzo64's Avatar gonzo64 06:27 PM 07-02-2014
thanks jim.. i respect your reviews....keep up the good work
JimWilson's Avatar JimWilson 07:35 PM 07-02-2014
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thanks jim.. i respect your reviews....keep up the good work
Thank you. I'm glad my evaluations have proven helpful to you.
Bond 007's Avatar Bond 007 07:45 PM 07-02-2014
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thanks jim.. i respect your reviews....keep up the good work
+1
Maestro24 08:11 PM 07-05-2014
Opinions on the next best sub(s) after the $300 range that will out perform the NXG?
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