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post #121 of 149 Old 07-05-2014, 08:47 PM
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opinions on the next best sub(s) after the $300 range that will out perform the nxg?
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Opinions on the next best sub(s) after the $300 range that will out perform the NXG?
I have not heard them, but based on measurements, I'd put the Hsu STF-2 as the next very modest step up. Then after that is the $500 SVS PB-1000 and possibly the Reaction Audio BPS 212. There's a serious gap of selection right now in between the under $300 category and the $500+ category. There were a few internet direct sub companies that had decent subs there a couple years back, but they have either all gone under or moved out of the category. Also not really any fire sales of higher priced subs from the big brands right now either (like the Klipsch RW-12D/Jamo 650/Energy S10.3 from a bit back).
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Opinions on the next best sub(s) after the $300 range that will out perform the NXG?
$500-Reaction BPS-212, SVS PB-1000

$600-Hsu VTF-2 Mk 4, Rythmik LV-12R
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Jim, I have a question about your procedure when you reviewed this. I received mine yesterday from Radio Shack and will probably be setting it up Monday, after letting it break in a bit. When you set your review unit up, where did you set the volume on the sub itself?

My receiver doesn't have Audyssey or anything, so I will set the levels manually. Everywhere I look, people seem to have different opinions on where the subwoofer's volume should be set. I've read halfway, 3/4 or even all the way up. Does it depend on the receiver? Basically whatever puts me at 0 or even -1 or -2 for the sub level in the setup?
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I have not heard them, but based on measurements, I'd put the Hsu STF-2 as the next very modest step up. Then after that is the $500 SVS PB-1000 and possibly the Reaction Audio BPS 212. There's a serious gap of selection right now in between the under $300 category and the $500+ category. There were a few internet direct sub companies that had decent subs there a couple years back, but they have either all gone under or moved out of the category. Also not really any fire sales of higher priced subs from the big brands right now either (like the Klipsch RW-12D/Jamo 650/Energy S10.3 from a bit back).
Are there any subs in or near this price range that have parametric EQ?
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Jim, I have a question about your procedure when you reviewed this. I received mine yesterday from Radio Shack and will probably be setting it up Monday, after letting it break in a bit. When you set your review unit up, where did you set the volume on the sub itself?

My receiver doesn't have Audyssey or anything, so I will set the levels manually. Everywhere I look, people seem to have different opinions on where the subwoofer's volume should be set. I've read halfway, 3/4 or even all the way up. Does it depend on the receiver? Basically whatever puts me at 0 or even -1 or -2 for the sub level in the setup?
It depends on a multitude of factors; distance from the sub, size of the room, capability of your mains, personal preference for loudness, sensitivity of the gain knob, etc. In general though my process is to tune by ear until I feel the unit is broken in, just to get a sense for its performance. After x number of hours (x being determined by what the manufacturer suggests, or about 15 if they don't specify) I'll set the gain at 50% and run Audyssey. If Audyssey comes back with a -12 I'll drop the gain some and run it again. Repeat until Audyssey is happy, at which point I'll usually adjust the gain up some because I've often found it likes the sound to be a bit weaker then I do.

Historically that process has meant things are set at 40%-60% gain on the sub amp and 0dB as the output level from my AVR. The AVR level is more critical for me than the sub gain; I would much prefer to boost the output by way of the subwoofers amplifier than the input level. The latter could introduce additional signal noise, so I tend toward keeping the input level lower and the subwoofers gains higher if I need to make adjustments. I don't recall ever having to go as high as 3/4th's though, but that would be my absolute limit regardless. I would never even consider max - were that necessary I would add a second subwoofer or get a larger one.

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Thanks Jim. Sounds pretty much like I planned on doing it.
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How does this compare to the BIC PL-200?
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How does this compare to the BIC PL-200?

I won't be able to compare it with the PL-200, but in a few weeks I can with the H-100...

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I won't be able to compare it with the PL-200, but in a few weeks I can with the H-100...
I am eagerly waiting for that. But then the NXG will be out of stock again! I am still deabating on saving my pennies for an HUS or SVS. But getting my wife to agree to that will be a hard sell. The NXG or H-100 would not be too difficult.

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I am eagerly waiting for that. But then the NXG will be out of stock again! I am still deabating on saving my pennies for an HUS or SVS. But getting my wife to agree to that will be a hard sell. The NXG or H-100 would not be too difficult.

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Hey guys, I have speakers that i would probably need to crossover at about 120-130. Would this sub be good enough at that point or would the F12 be abetter choice?
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Hey guys, I have speakers that i would probably need to crossover at about 120-130. Would this sub be good enough at that point or would the F12 be abetter choice?
The NXG is a better sub than the Bic F12.
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Hey guys, I have speakers that i would probably need to crossover at about 120-130. Would this sub be good enough at that point or would the F12 be abetter choice?

I can't speak to the F12's suitability for a crossover that high - because I haven't heard one myself - but the NXG might not have the greatest output around the 120Hz range. My measurements indicated it was dropping rather sharply by that point, which means the integration between speaker and sub could end up a little thin sounding.

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Thanks for the heads up Jim. That is what i was worried about when i read your review.
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Thanks for the heads up Jim. That is what i was worried about when i read your review.
I would probably get better speakers depending on what you have. If you want a sub that plays well in the 120 range its gonna cost ya. Then youre gonna have a very nice sub and wimpy speakers.
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I'm surprised no one has has done a same-environment head to head comparison of this vs the BIC F12. Wondering if the NXG is worth the nearly $100 more price over the highly rated F12...
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I'm surprised no one has has done a same-environment head to head comparison of this vs the BIC F12. Wondering if the NXG is worth the nearly $100 more price over the highly rated F12...
I owned the F12 and I've heard the NXG. It is easily worth the extra money imo. Everything that a subwoofer is supposed to do the NXG does better. Better extension, output and accuracy.

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Hmmm. I respect your opinion BUT were they in the same exact spot in the exact same system? "Experts" have said when you listen to a sub in a room, you are actuall hearing the "room". Thanks!
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Bond is good at this stuff, so there's probably substance behind his assessment.

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Hmmm. I respect your opinion BUT were they in the same exact spot in the exact same system? "Experts" have said when you listen to a sub in a room, you are actuall hearing the "room". Thanks!
Not even in the same house. The 2 subs arent close enough in performance for that sort of evaluation to be necessary.
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well mine just arrived.....so now do i connect the cable to the lfe input on this sub.....and what do i set the crossover on sub to if i use this...do i have to recalibrate it again with the audessy....sorry for double post ...forgot there was a nxg post....
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well mine just arrived.....so now do i connect the cable to the lfe input on this sub.....and what do i set the crossover on sub to if i use this...do i have to recalibrate it again with the audessy....sorry for double post ...forgot there was a nxg post....
Connect to LFE. Set crossover all the way up. Set volume at about halfway. Run Audyssey.
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Connect to LFE. Set crossover all the way up. Set volume at about halfway. Run Audyssey.
ok i will do that ..thanks.....
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