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Down to two choices and would like your input on which of these would be better for this type of music
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You might as well flip a coin. Either one will put a sh*t eating grin on your face. Owners of both are going to tell you they love it.

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The VTF-15H is right around $1000 shipped and the FV15HP is right around $1300 shipped. I think you need to decide how much you're willing to spend first and decide for yourself. I say if you can afford it get the FV15HP, if not get the VTF-15H. Really only you can decide, if this is your first real sub upgrade either will make you smile from ear to ear.
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Down to two choices and would like your input on which of these would be better for this type of music

These are both output monsters. How large is your room? These may be overkill if you are going to mostly listen to Jazz/Classical music with them.
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His room is 3200 cu ft. He listed it in another thread.

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These are both output monsters. How large is your room? These may be overkill if you are going to mostly listen to Jazz/Classical music with them.

I have to agree. Those two monsters may be more than you need for your purposes. Throw some home theater in there and you're good to go with either.

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He also posted this in the speaker forum: "It does have openings to the kitchen on one side and the family room on the other."

It's nice to have all the info you need. I'm thinking overkill might be better. But then I've always been partial to overkill.

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He also posted this in the speaker forum: "It does have openings to the kitchen on one side and the family room on the other."
It's nice to have all the info you need. I'm thinking overkill might be better. But then I've always been partial to overkill.

Hey, I like overkill too smile.gif For classical and jazz, I would just worry a little about an output monnster overpowering his mains. A smaller sealed sub opens up more placement options and could offset the size of the room. If we were talking home theater or dupstep I would say go with the bigger ported monsters.
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Hey, I like overkill too smile.gif For classical and jazz, I would just worry a little about an output monnster overpowering his mains. A smaller sealed sub opens up more placement options and could offset the size of the room. If we were talking home theater or dupstep I would say go with the bigger ported monsters.

All he would have to do is turn down the gain.
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He also posted this in the speaker forum: "It does have openings to the kitchen on one side and the family room on the other."

It's nice to have all the info you need. I'm thinking overkill might be better. But then I've always been partial to overkill.

I don't think you'll feel it's too much as you can adjust it to your tastes. It's not just about loud but how low and defined it can get.


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Like I said I don't have a good grasp on it, that's just how it seems to me. You may love it or you may not.

There is a guy near me that has one or two rythmics that is on the demo list. Sadly I haven't seen him here in a long while, i'd love for the two us to get together and compare our subs.
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If its between just these two subs and he likes to listen to classical and jazz I would say the FV15HP would be the better choice for sure. From what I've read the Rythmik drivers are very accurate.
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Now someone suggested the ULS-15 Subwoofer also HSU. Wonder if it would make a difference since it is a sealed sub for music. There is a price difference thous from the 15H
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All he would have to do is turn down the gain.

Sure, but if you don't need a sub that plays below 30-40db and you don't need lots of output, why would you recommend a massive ported subwoofer when a smaller sealed subwoofer can more than get the job done for a cheaper price?
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Now someone suggested the ULS-15 Subwoofer also HSU. Wonder if it would make a difference since it is a sealed sub for music. There is a price difference thous from the 15H

That would be another good option.
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Hey, I like overkill too smile.gif For classical and jazz, I would just worry a little about an output monnster overpowering his mains. A smaller sealed sub opens up more placement options and could offset the size of the room. If we were talking home theater or dupstep I would say go with the bigger ported monsters.

He has the paradigm studio 100 v2 speakers. Just another tidbit left out from a different thread.

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Now someone suggested the ULS-15 Subwoofer also HSU. Wonder if it would make a difference since it is a sealed sub for music. There is a price difference thous from the 15H

In a different thread you had earlier stated it would be used mostly for movies. What's more important? Movies or music? A blend of both? smile.gif

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I do have a home theater with a 125" screen. That's all new and am loving it by the way. So I need a sub that would do both. All these sound like they are great subs
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All he would have to do is turn down the gain.

Sure, but if you don't need a sub that plays below 30-40db and you don't need lots of output, why would you recommend a massive ported subwoofer when a smaller sealed subwoofer can more than get the job done for a cheaper price?

Jazz wouldn't normally go low but Classical sure can go below 30hz. With his room size and only using one sub I would go ported (imho only) If he was planing to go duals then i'd be tempted to say get a smaller sealed.
The ULS would be sweet. though the 15H as you know can be "sealed" roughly and might suit both his needs music and films.

Too many choices.wink.gif

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With those speakers and that huge screen I'd want a real movie theater experience. I'd go for the FV15HP. It will give you that and more plus handle the bass in any movie you throw at it. Just my opinion.

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With those speakers and that huge screen I'd want a real movie theater experience. I'd go for the FV15HP. It will give you that and more plus handle the bass in any movie you throw at it. Just my opinion.

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If he's only considering these two subs IMO the FV15HP is still the better of the two if he doesn't mind spend the extra money. Or he could always go the middle of the road and get a PSA XS30 biggrin.gif, that's what I did...lol
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SVS does have a very solid 1 year trade-up program:
https://www.svsound.com/bill-of-rights

You could start with something like an SB12 or PB12 and then add either another, or trade up to the SB13 Ultra or PB12+..

It really depends on you and how loud you are trying to go. If you want reference level then we are talking about different solutions that if you are just listening to classical and jazz at moderate or even high listening levels. Many of the $650-750 subs should be able to achieve that in your room just fine.
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If he was considering a HSU ULS-15 I would suggest he reads this review at post # 820
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1372020/power-sound-audio-discussion-thread/810

And also read this thread from the GTG
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1434901/northeast-october-20th-gtg-results-thread

And suggest saving his money and go with a PSA XS15 over a ULS-15 IMO.
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When I attended the recent get-to-gether the Rythmik FV15HP (with one port plugged) did everything well, and with plenty of volume. Rythmik has a great reputation and you won't regret purchasing it. smile.gif
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If he was considering a HSU ULS-15 I would suggest he reads this review at post # 820
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1372020/power-sound-audio-discussion-thread/810
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And suggest saving his money and go with a PSA XS15 over a ULS-15 IMO.

To be fair to the HSU, it does sound like there was an issue with it. But yeah if you are okay with the industrial look of the PSA, it is a lot of bang for the buck and based on the OP's budget the XS30 could be a killer sub for the money. Now that he mentioned the home theater aspect I would either go with the Rythmik or PSA XS30 or XV30.
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There really aren't any reviews out yet on the xs30 and I just wonder how the rythmic does with classical music. I could just listen to it with out the sub. The pardigm studio 100v2's seem like they do a pretty decent job on the bass but I have nothing to compare them with. My sub doesn't want to play along with them even though (i think) I have it set to help them in stereo mode
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If you want an XS30 you'll have to wait awhile. None available now and their next production run won't be til mid February.

I take that back. They may have a few left. You'll need to call to find out. Once they run out you'll have to wait til mid February.

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If you want an XS30 you'll have to wait awhile. None available now and their next production run won't be til mid February.
I take that back. They may have a few left. You'll need to call to find out. Once they run out you'll have to wait til mid February.

Wow, they are leaving money on the table that Hsu, Svs, and Rythmik will gladly take.

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There really aren't any reviews out yet on the xs30 and I just wonder how the rythmic does with classical music. I could just listen to it with out the sub. The pardigm studio 100v2's seem like they do a pretty decent job on the bass but I have nothing to compare them with. My sub doesn't want to play along with them even though (i think) I have it set to help them in stereo mode

I think you have no reason to be concerned about the Rythmik with classical music. Check the Ascend Acoustics Forum. Curtis Chang is the Moderator. After going through a number of other subs he bought Rythmik and has extensive experience with the Rythmik with classical music. I think Curtis Chang has been happy with his Rythmik for several years.
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