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post #1 of 21 Old 01-03-2013, 12:28 PM - Thread Starter
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Hi guys,
Looking for a sub to complete my set of Energy Take 5 Classic speakers. This will be used with my PC and since it'll be placed more or less beneath the PC desk, power is not an issue nor a priority.

I bought the Energy Take 5 satellites from Newegg for $129.99 and need a Subwoofer to complete the set. These will be plugged into my Harman Kardon AVR1700 receiver.

The subwoofer will be placed underneath the computer desk so it needs to be compact as there is absolutely no other place to put it in the room. I should be able to accomodate a sub 14"x14"x14" but nothing larger than that

Thoughts on the following?

  • Energy EW-100 ($149)
  • Lava 8" LSP08 ($168-$198)
  • JBL Studio 150P (seen it for as low as $149.99-$239)
  • MartinLogan Dynamo 300 8" ($$119-159)


Thanks!
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If you can go to $249, outlaw has an 8" sub that has very good reviews for its size. It might be a little too big for under a desk though.
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There's an Energy S8.3 on eBay for $139. Item #230906036550. Worth a serious look, IMO.
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I can stretch my budge to $249 but space is also important. It's a small room. Basically the smallest room in the house has been turned into my digital aka PC work room. And I saw the sub on eBay. My only gripe is that it being used I have no idea how they used/abused it. Hmmm, thanks for the input, I have the sub on eBay on watch...will reach out to the sellers.

Just saw the dimensions on the M8. It just might work out, 2 sides are 14" and one is 10" so that falls within the specs I listed smile.gif

Hopefully they'll offer a promotion on it soon so I may snag one at a discounted rate. That will be the cherry on the top. Thanks again!
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Hi guys,
Looking for a sub to complete my set of Energy Take 5 Classic speakers. This will be used with my PC and since it'll be placed more or less beneath the PC desk, power is not an issue nor a priority.
I bought the Energy Take 5 satellites from Newegg for $129.99 and need a Subwoofer to complete the set. These will be plugged into my Harman Kardon AVR1700 receiver.
The subwoofer will be placed underneath the computer desk so it needs to be compact as there is absolutely no other place to put it in the room. I should be able to accomodate a sub 14"x14"x14" but nothing larger than that
Thoughts on the following?
  • Energy EW-100 ($149)
  • Lava 8" LSP08 ($168-$198)
  • JBL Studio 150P (seen it for as low as $149.99-$239)
  • MartinLogan Dynamo 300 8" ($$119-159)
Thanks!

That sub is bigger then what you're claiming you need, and it's by far the best sub you're looking at.
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Ugh. Shipping on the M8 is $32 so that takes the total price to $282. Kinda really stretching my budget as I also want to buy some new speakers for my car and replace the factory ones.

Also throwing into the equation is the Infinity Primus PS38. Any thoughts on that one?

  • Energy EW-100 ($149)
  • Lava 8" LSP08 ($168-$198)
  • JBL Studio 150P (seen it for as low as $149.99-$239)
  • MartinLogan Dynamo 300 8" ($$119-159)
  • Infinity Primus PS38 ($149-$199)


This is the setup I'm hooking up to my PC
Old
Klipsch Promedia 4.1 (perfectly working, but I want a center channel and want to hook up my sound card to my receiver)
Creative X-Fi Titanium (too many issues using optical out, buggy software/drivers)

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Soundblaster Z Series soundcard ($120)
Harman Kardon AVR1700 receiver ($199)
Energy Take 5 Classic Speakers (satellites only, no sub) ($120)
??? Subwoofer??? ($200 max)

I just saw that the Martin Logan Dynamo 300 was for $80 at Newegg.com during Christmas 1-day special sale. Ugh, why was I not in the market for this 10 days ago?!?!?!?!

The sub is for my PC and will be sitting underneath the desk. Uses
Music 60%
Movies 20%
Games 20%

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I'm watching this thread with great interest because I'm looking for the same thing. I'm almost ready to pull the trigger for the Lava LSP08, but I can't find anyone who has commented/reviewed the 8" sub. The 40+ page Lava thread makes mention of it a few times, some AVS members saying they're going to order one, but then there's no follow-up.

The LSP08 specs go down to 28hz, pretty low for an 8" sub, especially in this price range. It's the lowest on Cyber's list, yet the smallest cabinet. How reliable can these specs be? My sub may end up under my computer desk as well, and a small front firing sub would be ideal.
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The LSP08 specs go down to 28hz ... How reliable can these specs be?
The LSP08 is an 8" sub with a 100 "mystery" watts amp. The following blurb at the bottom of the product page makes more sense:
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Lava LSP08 powered subwoofer extends the low frequency response of the system below 40Hz, with a low pass frequency response in the range of 37-150 Hz (+/-3 dB) ...
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Ah, the fine print. But it doesn't mean much to a noob like me. Can you explain it? I copied the full paragraph below.

Lava LSP08 powered subwoofer extends the low frequency response of the system below 40Hz, with a low pass frequency response in the range of 37-150 Hz (+/-3 dB) and a 60 - 180 Hz continuously variable low pass crossover. In a surround sound system the LSP08 provides stunning reproduction of the LFE (low frequency effects) channel in the range of 20-380 Hz (+/-3dB). The LSP08 is also incredibly sensitive testing a 130mV at 100W.
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Also found a refurbished Velodyne VX-11 ($150) with full manufacturer 1 year warranty. How about this one now?

I think I have enough subs in the mix....just need to pick one, pull the trigger so it'll be here next Tuesday/Wednesday. Thanks again guys!

  • Energy EW-100 ($149)
  • Lava 8" LSP08 ($168-$198)
  • JBL Studio 150P (seen it for as low as $149.99-$239)
  • MartinLogan Dynamo 300 8" ($$119-159)
  • Infinity Primus PS38 ($149-$199)
  • Velodyne VX-11 [refurb with 1 yr warranty] ($150)
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Another sub I've been looking at is the Definitive Technology ProSub 800 http://www.definitivetech.com/products/prosub-800 At $300, it's more than I want to spend and outside of Cyberathlete's budget, but it's smaller yet (12 7/8" H x 10 5/16 W x 15 3/4" D) and it goes down to 20hz. Couldn't find any fine print on it, but 20hz doesn't seem possible from such a little sub.
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Ah, the fine print. ... Can you explain it?
Not sure, but here's my best shot at it... smile.gif
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... a low pass frequency response in the range of 37-150 Hz (+/-3 dB)
This appears to be the "legitimate" FR range. IOW, between 37 and 150Hz, audio output will be "flat" to within a +/-3dB variance. Above and below that range, output will drop off rapidly.
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... and a 60 - 180 Hz continuously variable low pass crossover.
This just indicates the range of adjustability of the crossover (or low pass filter) setting - the point (actually a range) at which you want the signal to be "split" between your mains and your sub. The sub's crossover is irrelevant if bass management is being handled by your AVR.
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In a surround sound system the LSP08 provides stunning reproduction of the LFE (low frequency effects) channel in the range of 20-380 Hz (+/-3dB).
No idea how a sub that has a -3dB FR of 37Hz or 28Hz suddenly is able to play to 20Hz @ -3dB.
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Appreciate the responses but no one has flat out recommended any sub yet though frown.gif The specs and what a sub does is mentioned but no solid recommendation.

Thanks guys! I know this is not a hunt for a high end audio product, but at the same time want to make a sound investment (no pun intended) even if so it is on the low end. Thanks!

PS: My HT subs are the Klipsch RW-12D x2
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You said you saw the Velodyne vx-11 for $150....you can get two of the for $229 on their site at the moment and I am seriously thinking about them, just waiting for some opinions in my thread...
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Appreciate the responses but no one has flat out recommended any sub yet though frown.gif
S8.3. eBay. Worth a serious look. smile.gif

(That's as close as I'll get to flat out recommending a specific used sub. wink.gif)
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S8.3. eBay. Worth a serious look. smile.gif
(That's as close as I'll get to flat out recommending a specific used sub. wink.gif)

I appreciate that. My ONLY concern is that it's a used sub and if there any issues whatsoever I may not pick up on those since I don't know how it sounds brand new and if anything sounds a little bit off with this used sub, I wouldn't know. I have bought used speakers in the past, but since they're always in pairs, u can always hear the drivers individually and compare them side by side to see if sound is off in any one speaker.

Subs are a little trickier to gauge in that matter frown.gif


Oh snap 2 for $229? That may just tide me over and I could end up using the other one at a different location in the house. Or have a dual set up in the future. Hmmmmm
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Oh snap 2 [Velodyne VX-11s] for $229? That may just tide me over and I could end up using the other one at a different location in the house.
VX-11: 15" x 12" x 17"

Question: Since you're no longer looking for "a sub 14"x14"x14" but nothing larger than that", what are the new limitations?

Also, what city do you live in or near? If gently-used is at all of interest to you, something for sale locally - which you can demo - may be a viable option.
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Effin A, you're right. I just checked the space and my limitations are still 14x14x14.

Sigh out with the Velodyne.
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Ended up getting the ML Dynamo 300 for $130 (after tax) satellite speakers will be here Tuesday along with the Soundblaster Creative Z soundcard. Will do some test on Wednesday to see how it sounds. Hopefully it has some oomph and punch to it as opposed to the boomy subs in this price range.
Thanks for all your help guys!
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Ended up getting the ML Dynamo 300 ...
- 8" driver
- 75W RMS
- 32-150Hz +/-3dB

Congrats on your purchase. Looks like it could be a decent little sub. I'm curious to read your thoughts on it. smile.gif
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Thanks! Yea Fry's had it on a one day sale. $130 was too good to pass up. It's also pretty compact, i think the smallest out of all the subs I listed and yet still takes up a bit of room. I'll take a picture once everything is set up and post it....

will let you know how it fares.

PS I replaced my working Klipsch Promedia 4.1 system with this 5.1 set up

May be should've asked about what speakers are comparable before jumping the gun for Energy Take Classic 5.

Old PC Sound Setup:
Creative X-Fi Titanium
Klipsch Promedia 4.1

My PC sound setup (recently revamped):
Creative Soundblaster Z (new series) ($110, wish there were a slickdeal on this but since it just came out, I doubt it)
Energy Take Classic 5 Speakers set ($130, cool.gif Slickdeals )
Harman Kardon AVR1700 receiver ($199, cool.gif Slickdeals )
Martin Logan Dynamo 300 ($130, cool.gif Slickdeals )

Headphones:
Senn HD598
Audio Technica m50s LE
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