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I recently purchased a Denon AVR-1712 and am expecting delivery of a pair of Ascend CBM-170 SEs. I will use them for movies, video games, and music. Some time within the next several months I would like to get a sub. Max budget is $400, which includes shipping and any applicable taxes. For example, though on sale for $329, the HSU STF-2 would actually cost me $392 after shipping/taxes are added.

I have a square room, measuring 11'x11'x8', which presents a lot of problems. I've researched a lot and some people have very strong opinions on the issue. For example, that a sub will do more harm than good and is not worth it in a situation like mine, UNLESS expensive room treatments are used, Even then it's not ideal.

I need to figure out if a sub will most likely work in my room (sans treatments) and then I need to choose one. I could use some help.

Here's my room layout: 11'x11'x8'



The X's mark proposed speaker placement.

I am looking into replacing my dresser with an AV furniture stand, one that has a center opening. I would then get rid of the small AV rack on the left.
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I would go with a pair of Polk PSW 505s. On sale at NewEgg for $199 each and its a nice subwoofer and a great subwoofer at the current prices. It would easily outperform the HSU STF2 and you could get a pair to really even out the bass in your room.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882290130
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Too bad you didn't post around thanksgiving. You could have gotten an Epik Legend for $399 shipped.

Your room is kind of small. I don't think you have room for two subs. I suggest getting the Klipsch rw-12d for $299 including shipping.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2100310494%201299919918&name=Subwoofer&cm_sp=homeaudiospeakersubcat494-_-flashstorefront-_-subwoofers

It's $100 under your budget, but I don't think you'll do much better for under $400.
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If you can make room for duals get the Polks, if not I would go with the Klipsch for $300. The Klipsch did well in a mid priced subwoofer shootout in Sound&Vision magazine. Google is your friend.
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I would go with a pair of Polk PSW 505s. On sale at NewEgg for $199 each and its a nice subwoofer and a great subwoofer at the current prices. It would easily outperform the HSU STF2 and you could get a pair to really even out the bass in your room.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882290130

I'd rather get one sub if feasible. Looking at my room, two large boxes seems obtrusive.

I've seen the two sub setup recommended for a square room a few times, with one placed against the middle of a wall and the other opposite. The heater vent limits my options. There is a 21" space between my bed and the vent. I could place one there and place another on the opposite wall right next to the left closet door. They wouldn't be exactly opposite, but very close - 2-3" askew. I would want a heater deflector so that the sub wouldn't get direct airflow from the vent. The only other option for opposite placement would be where my lamp and plant currently are. What placement were you thinking?

As I stated, I prefer a single sub if it will work.
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If you can make room for duals get the Polks, if not I would go with the Klipsch for $300. The Klipsch did well in a mid priced subwoofer shootout in Sound&Vision magazine. Google is your friend.

So two Polk PSW505s over two BIC America F12s?

No love for the HSU STF-1 or STF-2?
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Wow, where is all this love for the psw 505 coming from? That sub is a joke... You have a tiny room which will have tremendous pressure vessel gain, meaning starting in the 30-40 hz range your room will start loading serious amounts of bass. For a single sub solution this Dayton C1500 will be outstanding. In your room you will reach the lower 20hz range with out issue.

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=300-770

Another really good option is this JBL sub150p, which has a nice shallow slope to its response, -6db at 27hz anechoic, it will also perform extremely well with your room's gain. A pair is within your budget

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882665157


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The 505 isn't a bad subwoofer but of course it is no where near SVS or some of the other IDs but for $199 its a great deal for a budget subwoofer. I've heard good things about Dayton kits and i've heard bad things about those kits. If single is the only options for his price I think the Klipsch would be the one, if the OP decides to put in duals I think 505s would be damn hard to beat $398 for dual 12" is a great deal IMO.
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-15db at 30Hz... the 505 is a bad sub.


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-15db at 30Hz... the 505 is a bad sub.

I don't think thats right. Seems alittle off.

Ed Mullen from SVS did a review of the PSW 505 and he measured it at HometheaterHiFi.

" The PSW505 frequency response measured 35 Hz -142 Hz ± 3 dB"

"As expected, room gain helped considerably to improve deep extension, with the Polk holding flat to about 25 Hz, and then dropping to –10 dB at 20 Hz"


http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_12_2/polk-psw-505-subwoofer-4-2005.html

For someone on an extremely tight subwoofer budget (at least to AVS standard) at $199 its not a bad deal. We're not exactly bombarded with high performing high quality subwoofers in the sub $200 range.
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I don't think thats right. Seems alittle off.
Ed Mullen from SVS did a review of the PSW 505 and he measured it at HometheaterHiFi.
" The PSW505 frequency response measured 35 Hz -142 Hz ± 3 dB"
"As expected, room gain helped considerably to improve deep extension, with the Polk holding flat to about 25 Hz, and then dropping to –10 dB at 20 Hz"
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_12_2/polk-psw-505-subwoofer-4-2005.html
For someone on an extremely tight subwoofer budget (at least to AVS standard) at $199 its not a bad deal. We're not exactly bombarded with high performing high quality subwoofers in the sub $200 range.

From the review

Frequency SPL THD
20 Hz 65.5 dB 10-12% fluctuating
22 Hz 68.0 db 10-12% fluctuating
25 Hz 76.0 dB 10.4%
32 Hz 90.2 dB 10.5%
40 Hz 101.5 dB 10.2 %
50 Hz 104.1 dB 9.8%
63 Hz 105.9 dB 10.1%
80 Hz 103.8 dB 10.2%

That's the clean limits of the sub


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So the Klipsch rw-12d is overall a better sub than the STF-2? I know the rw-12 has more output, but is it clean, clean as the STF-2? Is there anything the STF-2 does better? Is it more musical?
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So the Klipsch rw-12d is overall a better sub than the STF-2? I know the rw-12 has more output, but is it clean, clean as the STF-2? Is there anything the STF-2 does better? Is it more musical?

The Klipsch will have more output but the STF-2 has the reputation of being one of the more musical budget subwoofers. If your mostly into movies and games i'd lean toward the RW12, if you listen to alot of music then I'd go with the STF-2.
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I've been doing more research and came across a post on AVS from 2006 where someone was trying to assemble a similar setup in a small room almost the size of mine. Several suggested the STF-1, saying that it would be adequate for a room that size and that anything bigger might be overkill. While I'm not opposed to getting a bigger, more expensive sub, if the STF-1 will work in my room I'm fine with that. I don't intend on listening at reference levels. I usually listen at moderate to low levels.
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