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If both subs are going to be placed at the front of the room in stereo configuration, is it best to place the subs on the inside or the outside of the mains?

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If both subs are going to be placed at the front of the room in stereo configuration, is it best to place the subs on the inside or the outside of the mains?

It doesn't work like that.
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It doesn't work like that.

Can I get a little bit of an explanation? Or are you going to tell me that it's up to where I get the best bass response? With me, there comes a time where I will put my equipment wherre I want it an live with the outcome. My subs are fine in a stereo configuration at the front of the room and I doubt I will be moving them from there.

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When I was running dual subs placing them on the inside of the main speakers worked best for me. Of course you may get a different result in your room. Try it both ways like I did and pick the one you prefer. Hopefully you won't have to do it too many times with those big heavy subs you have.

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When I was running dual subs placing them on the inside of the main speakers worked best for me. Of course you may get a different result in your room. Try it both ways like I did and pick the one you prefer. Hopefully you won't have to do it too many times with those big heavy subs you have.


Yeah, I guess this whole deal is about trial and error.

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Subwoofer sound is omni directional. If properly placed and eq'd you won't be able to tell where they are by listening. Behind the couch and completely out of sight might turn out to be the best place.
If you are limited then try them at both locations and leave them where they sound best.

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If you have your dual subwoofers connected to the LFE out there is no stereo signal to the subwoofers. It's a mono signal. Placing the subs in the front of the room next to your mains doesn't make them stereo.wink.gif Nobody here can tell you which placement will sound better. You will need to test both ways and listen to the results. How far they are away from the front wall can also make a difference in the bass.
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I will be limited in where I place the Rythmik when I get it. After spending that kind of money it's going up front and I'll be damned if I'll hide it behind a couch. biggrin.gif
Is that called MAF?

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Subwoofer sound is omni directional. If properly placed and eq'd you won't be able to tell where they are by listening. Behind the couch and completely out of sight might turn out to be the best place.
If you are limited then try them at both locations and leave them where they sound best.

I hear ya. Behind the couch isn't an option. It's going to be the front stage for me. That also happens to be where prefer them.

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You gonna put that cheap Rhythmik in the closet? biggrin.gif

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I will be limited in where I place the Rythmik when I get it. After spending that kind of money it's going up front and I'll be damned if I'll hide it behind a couch. biggrin.gif
Is that called MAF?


Good Man! My subs won't tell me where they are going, I will put them where they go. When people walk into my theater, they aren't going to have to ask me where I sunk $2,000. They will be front and center.biggrin.gif

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You gonna put that cheap Rhythmik in the closet? biggrin.gif

Cheap? I'll eating beans for the next year. biggrin.gif

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Cheap? I'll eating beans for the next year. biggrin.gif

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You gonna put that cheap Rhythmik in the closet? biggrin.gif

Wow, them is fightin' words.

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Nah. I'm just jealous of his sub and he knows it.

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Nah. I'm just jealous of his sub and he knows it.


Yeah. Stanley ordered the thing and is going to be too lazy to unpack and place the thing. biggrin.gif

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As long as it's not Ramen noodles, you are fine. I hated those things in college.

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If both subs are going to be placed at the front of the room in stereo configuration, is it best to place the subs on the inside or the outside of the mains?

For reasons of aesthetics, our subs are next to the outside of our mains but subwoofer placement is best left to the best acoustical position as opposed to the best aesthetic position. In the end, everything is limited to everything else so it's your call how to place your subs.

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When you're on a bean diet you lose all your strength.

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It doesn't work like that.

Can I get a little bit of an explanation? Or are you going to tell me that it's up to where I get the best bass response? With me, there comes a time where I will put my equipment wherre I want it an live with the outcome. My subs are fine in a stereo configuration at the front of the room and I doubt I will be moving them from there.

For that reason i'm out. wink.gif Your subs, put em where you want. If you really want help with placement then come back and ask.
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Good Man! My subs won't tell me where they are going, I will put them where they go. When people walk into my theater, they aren't going to have to ask me where I sunk $2,000. They will be front and center.biggrin.gif
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Can I get a little bit of an explanation?

To a certain degree, yes, it can be done but it's much more expensive and time consuming and even then, one bumps up against physical limitations. The whole sub integration exercise is based around the initial concept of working with one's room acoustics, not against them. And if the individual wishes to continue working against a room's acoustics, they'll have to willingly put forth more effort in taming the bouncing sound waves with an understanding that for most, fail is a likely option.

FWIW, in this case I'm on your side of the aisle but I'm also having to put in an additional boatload of expensive effort so as to "learn" how to tame bass sound waves due to this outlook; aesthetics vs practicality. Not always practical but agreed, sometimes for life to work, the wheel has to be reinvented. The question morphs into, how much effort are you willing to put into successfully reinventing a personal wheel that works for you? And if not willing to put forth the effort, are you willing to accept the inevitable fail option?

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For that reason i'm out. wink.gif

Awwww, come on, how do you really feel? tongue.gif

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We all have limitations that we must work with. Bill is famous for saying that subs go where they go. I have to make the best of what I have and refuse to lose sleep over a sub not occupying the exact space to the millimeter that it should in my theater.

I really do appreciate the time you guys spend on this hobby and the expertise you bring to each conversation. It's just that some advice will work for me and some won't. I look forward to your guidance in the future for I am very new at this.

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If both subs are going to be placed at the front of the room in stereo configuration, is it best to place the subs on the inside or the outside of the mains?
In your situation, there are only two options: Outside of the mains and inside of the mains. The answer seems pretty obvious: Try them on the outside and on the inside and leave them where they provide the best performance at the listening position. smile.gif
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In your situation, there are only two options: Outside of the mains and inside of the mains. The answer seems pretty obvious: Try them on the outside and on the inside and leave them where they provide the best performance at the listening position. smile.gif

Now that I look at it, the question wasn't all that great. I also have the option of going opposing corners of the room as well as off both sides of a couch in the listening area.

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In your situation, there are only two options: Outside of the mains and inside of the mains. The answer seems pretty obvious: Try them on the outside and on the inside and leave them where they provide the best performance at the listening position. smile.gif

Based on eljaycanuck's above, if the room/wallet/wife will accept a third or fourth subwoofer, is that an option worth exploring?

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Now that I look at it, the question wasn't all that great. I also have the option of going opposing corners of the room as well as off both sides of a couch in the listening area.

Have you tried putting one of your subs at your main listening position and doing the infamous sub-crawl? Have you considered a four sub solution, subs in the corners and subs at both ends of the couch?

In the end, it all boils down to the numbers of Benjamins one has to spare.

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Now that I look at it, the question wasn't all that great. I also have the option of going opposing corners of the room as well as off both sides of a couch in the listening area.

I tried 5 different locations in my room. The front stage worked best. Maybe you'll get lucky and that will work best for you also. Get to work! biggrin.gif

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In your situation, there are only two options: Outside of the mains and inside of the mains. The answer seems pretty obvious: Try them on the outside and on the inside and leave them where they provide the best performance at the listening position. smile.gif

Now that I look at it, the question wasn't all that great. I also have the option of going opposing corners of the room as well as off both sides of a couch in the listening area.

Try the corners first, small rooms can be harder (from what i've read). It seems to me though, spending that kind of money you'd want the best out of them. wink.gif Subs are a different animal than your mains which have to be placed relative to your seats.


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Try the corners first, small rooms can be harder (from what i've read). It seems to me though, spending that kind of money you'd want the best out of them. wink.gif Subs are a different animal than your mains which have to be placed relative to your seats.


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Thanks. Just so you know, i don't have room measuring equipment besides Audyssey and a sound meter.

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Thanks. Just so you know, i don't have room measuring equipment besides Audyssey and a sound meter.

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I tried 5 different locations in my room. The front stage worked best. Maybe you'll get lucky and that will work best for you also. Get to work! biggrin.gif

Hey Stanley. I guess i do need to get to work. My Patriots aren't playing for a few more hours.

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