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Well the audio bug has hit me hard in the last couple months. Curious to hear opinions on using 2 svs sb12 nsd woofers. I am currently using a single klipsch rw12d . 70/30 music to movies. Room is roughly 22 wide 15 deep 8 foot ceilings. Looking for cleaner bass, and some more SPL for movies. But I'm leankng twords sealed since I'm mostly a music guy but would like some chest pounding from time to time during movies. Thoughts on what I'll notice from switching and any other options? Budget 1300 max.

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Look at the PB1000 thread.

I have a larger sized theater room of close to 4k^3 feet. SVS suggested for me dual PB 1000's as i wanted the same set up you mention dual SB12's.

So far I love this set up. I ran a single PB 1000 for a few days before I hooked up the second.
And even with one it was more musical than I thought a ported sub would be.

I just posted my thoughts on that thread about these subs.

Very nice I must say.

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Well the audio bug has hit me hard in the last couple months. Curious to hear opinions on using 2 svs sb12 nsd woofers. I am currently using a single klipsch rw12d . 70/30 music to movies. Room is roughly 22 wide 15 deep 8 foot ceilings. Looking for cleaner bass, and some more SPL for movies. But I'm leankng twords sealed since I'm mostly a music guy but would like some chest pounding from time to time during movies. Thoughts on what I'll notice from switching and any other options? Budget 1300 max.

I'm using PC-12 NSD's. So, this isn't quite the answer your looking for. 1.5 years ago, I bought a PC12-NSD for my media room (15'x16'x9'=2160 sq. ft.). This speaker was the first real sub that I've ever had and was very pleased with the overall quality. But, physically, I couldn't quite find the right spot for it (in my somewhat cramped room) to eliminate nulls/peaks in the response. I started reading audio theory (first to admit I'm far from an expert on the subject) and came to the conclusion that multiple subs were the answer. Referring back to my limited floor area, two subs are the most I could put in. After rationalizing the cost to myself, I put down the money for another PC12-NSD. Got it a few weeks ago. It took about three hours of work (opening cabinets, re-wiring, Audessy setup/SPL measurements) to get going. But, I am very happy with the result. Of course, no room will have a perfect response without sound treatments (and I'm not going to do that). But, my response curves are VERY good now. Plus, with two subs, I have a TON of headroom to play with, if I so desire (grin). So, I guess the message of this post is that multiple subs really do help a room. And, as other people have already noted, the folks at SVS really are helpful, friendly and knowledgeable. As earlier mentioned, the quality of their subs is superb. I highly recommend them.
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Thanks for all the comments, just hoping that some one was using this setup. 2x sb12 nsd.

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Thanks for all the comments, just hoping that some one was using this setup. 2x sb12 nsd.

it was close for me, but the SVS guys suggested another route .

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Curious to hear opinions on using 2 svs sb12 nsd woofers. I am currently using a single klipsch rw12d . ... Room is roughly 22 wide 15 deep 8 foot ceilings. Looking for cleaner bass, and some more SPL for movies. ... Thoughts on what I'll notice from switching and any other options? Budget 1300 max.
Dual SB12-NSDs will give you more output and better extension than the RW-12d, and likely also much cleaner / "tighter" sound. IMO, a pair of SB12s would be very sweet in your (2,640 cu.ft.) room. smile.gif
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I would go for a Power Sound Audio XS30 instead. It would cost less and absolutely cream two SB12s in output. You might also consider two Hsu VTF2s, they would also cost less and have much more output, especially in the deep frequencies. Set the Q low on them and they will sound very sharp too. You might also consider a Rythmik FV15, it will destroy the SVS subs in output and sound superb too. SB12 s are only what I would consider if I needed something small.
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For mostly music, I would take the dual sealed subs on your budget. Multiple subs make a big difference in smoothing out bass and you will easily get more extension and output versus what you have now.

Two PSA XS 15's are a little over budget but you may want to consider them versus the SB12 subs.
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Just out of curiosity, if i spend a couple hundred bucks more i could purchase a sb13 ultra, how would that compare to 2 sb12 nsd's. the weight of it is almost 3 sb 12 nsd subs, it has a 1000watt bash amp vs 400 watt amp found in the sb12, but would two smaller lower power subs work better for my music listening? Thanks

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Just out of curiosity, if i spend a couple hundred bucks more i could purchase a sb13 ultra, how would that compare to 2 sb12 nsd's. the weight of it is almost 3 sb 12 nsd subs, it has a 1000watt bash amp vs 400 watt amp found in the sb12, but would two smaller lower power subs work better for my music listening? Thanks
Thoughts? I'm getting ready to pull the trigger.

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Thoughts? I'm getting ready to pull the trigger.

The reviews of owners on the web site seem to be good except for one where he has not spent the time
setting it up properly and took it out of the set up.

Have you read those on the SVS site yet?

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Just out of curiosity, if i spend a couple hundred bucks more i could purchase a sb13 ultra, how would that compare to 2 sb12 nsd's. the weight of it is almost 3 sb 12 nsd subs, it has a 1000watt bash amp vs 400 watt amp found in the sb12, but would two smaller lower power subs work better for my music listening? Thanks

If nobody here can answer that one from personal experience I would direct that question directly to SVS. They've always been honest
and upfront with me in the past with similar questions.
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For mostly music, I would take the dual sealed subs on your budget. Multiple subs make a big difference in smoothing out bass and you will easily get more extension and output versus what you have now.

Two PSA XS 15's are a little over budget but you may want to consider them versus the SB12 subs.
+1 to dual XS15's. I have the sb12 and it is a great little sub but if i have room for bigger one, XS15 has much more output and extension. Same warranty but bigger 15" sub.
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I just wanted to update this thread, i just placed the order for 2 svs SB12 NSD subs. They fit my budget and their size will be perfect! Cant wait!!!

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I just wanted to update this thread, i just placed the order for 2 svs SB12 NSD subs. They fit my budget and their size will be perfect! Cant wait!!!

Sweet!! let us know how they sound.

I'm still dialing in my PB1000's.

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I just wanted to update this thread, i just placed the order for 2 svs SB12 NSD subs. They fit my budget and their size will be perfect! Cant wait!!!

Congrats, those little subs will suprise you.
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Interested in hearing your comments once you get them. I would definitely checkout the threads on multiple subs. Either on opposing side walls for a sealed room or middle of the wall front and middle of the wall back are the preferred locations.
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I've had my dual SB12's for around 5 months now, and I'm still very happy I purchased them. I had a Klipsch RW12d prior to the SB12's, and the little SVS subs were a definite upgrade.

Of course there are much bigger and badder subs out there, but if the small form fits your needs then I doubt you could find better cubes.

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Counting down the hours till they arrive

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Hey Chris I had dual svs sb12's and loved them! But they did not have enough output that I needed/ wanted. I upgraded to dual svs sb13's and haven't looked back.The sb 12's are a great sub but are limited; due to their size. Let me know what you think. They are very musical subs, they sound great with movies but dont expect to watch movies extremely loud!
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Hey Chris I had dual svs sb12's and loved them! But they did not have enough output that I needed/ wanted. I upgraded to dual svs sb13's and haven't looked back.The sb 12's are a great sub but are limited; due to their size. Let me know what you think. They are very musical subs, they sound great with movies but dont expect to watch movies extremely loud!

Check the tracking should be here for saturday, I really liked the idea of the trade in policy, I figure if im not happy with them within one year I can always upgrade.

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Check the tracking should be here for saturday, I really liked the idea of the trade in policy, I figure if im not happy with them with in one year I can always upgrade.

make sure you watch the door. Fed ex has a history of not even checking if your home with big Boxes. Id leave a note on the door saying you are home and will help with
delivery.

There is a lot of complaints about this, just look over on the Power sound Audio thread.

Hope you get them with no troubles.

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make sure you watch the door. Fed ex has a history of not even checking if your home with big Boxes. Id leave a note on the door saying you are home and will help with
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There is a lot of complaints about this, just look over on the Power sound Audio thread.

Hope you get them with no troubles.

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That is a smart idea...
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make sure you watch the door. Fed ex has a history of not even checking if your home with big Boxes. Id leave a note on the door saying you are home and will help with
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That would be FedEx Ground, who are largely independent operators. Regular FedEx and FedEx Home delivery are OK.

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I'll be leaving a note on the door, thanks for the advice never experienced that before. Tomorrow is still the expected date. Just in time for my birthday.

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they arrived! They came double boxed safe and sound. The piano finish looks awesome, They are extreamly musical but i was expecting a little more punch out of them to be honest coming from my rw12d. Time will tell.

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they arrived! They came double boxed safe and sound. The piano finish looks awesome, They are extreamly musical but i was expecting a little more punch out of them to be honest coming from my rw12d. Time will tell.


Well sometimes that Punch from lesser subs really isn't what it is suppose to be note wise. Plus you have to let them break in and
then find the best set up for them.

Keep listening to them and let us know what ya think.


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wondering if some one can help, I turned off one of the sb12 nsd subs, to be honest It sounds louder with just one subwoofer on. SPL and depth. Using a denon 3312 receiver just plugged each sub in to its own sub out on the back of the receiver. What am I missing?

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wondering if some one can help, I turned off one of the sb12 nsd subs, to be honest It sounds louder with just one subwoofer on. SPL and depth. Using a denon 3312 receiver just plugged each sub in to its own sub out on the back of the receiver. What am I missing?

Have you tried playing with the phase settings?

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Did you calibrate after adding the subs? That receiver may have 2 sub outputs, but can it calibrate both subs at the same time?

Where are your subs positioned in the room? I assume one of the subs, the louder one, is in the position of the old sub?

 


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