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I need some subwofer recommendations and help in choosing the right sub for my small room.

I am have a set of Wharfedale Bookshelf Speakers a Center speaker that came with my receiver, I have never used bookshelf's before, pretty much have been a headphone guy but now I am venturing out in audio. Anyway I think I needed a sub to go along with my setup to complete it and compliment my overall sound by adding some bass? Most of the sub listings I came across are too huge for my little room or cost way over $100.

I saw a few Home theater in box Subs, from Onkyo, Panasonic and Sony. So will these subs basically suck? I saw a few Sony Subwoofers from their HT systems going for next to nothing, found 2 listings for Sony-SA-WMS230 also going for next to nothing. i also read sony basically sucks in the audio department? So not sure about Sony or any of these HT audio systems. How bad are they really? I want good bass not house shaking but something Good to compliment my speakers.I prefer a smaller sub but if its bigger then it will probably be at the side of my bed and act as a bed side table tongue.gif

Anyway I dont know if I should go for them and grab a cheap sub to go along with my setup or save some money and look for some other listings like in the $100+ range or maybe a Wharfedale?

gimme some advice and feedback also what you think of the HT subs like Sony-SA-WMS230 for my room. smile.gif
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Effectively most subs around $100 pretty much stink.

HTIB subs from Sony, Onkyo, etc - are especially horrible.

If your budget is truly $100 you'd better look for a half price sale, or perhaps something used off craigslist or even this forum.

Wharfedales are not a bad set of speakers. You could do MUCH worse. I own Wharfedale Sapphire towers, including a pair of Sapphire bookshelves and like them. They'll sure outclass a $100 sub.

To give you an idea of why I'm not too excited about budget subs - take a look at this Pioneer SW-8 frequency response graphing I performed. Read the review - digest it. Realize how much of an utter failure this sub is compared to subs that cost $200 or $300. Yes it's double or triple the price - but it's way way way more than 2 or 3x's the performance. And we aren't talking big money here - we are talking about saving for another week or maybe even a month if you are younger --- It's worth the wait!
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1401651/pioneer-sw-8-omnimic-frequency-response-graphs/0_20

Keep in mind that the SW-8 sub that reviewed so poorly is a 5 star out of 5 star rating on newegg. I guess people just don't know or care. it's definitely an audible thing - it's not like you can't tell if you listen. Just depends on how much you like listening to music and watching movies on something that sounds good.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882117402

The non discerning purchaser hears lower sound and says --- yep this set out to do exactly what I wanted it to do - adds rumble. The majority of folk on this forum would most likely NOT be happy with the SW-8. I'd personally rate it about a 1 star -- 2 if I was feeling generous. I have one - I actually RMA'ed the first one because it was so bad I thought it was broken. Sad thing is - the SW-8 is significantly better than most HTIB subwoofers. A buddy of mine bought a Polk PSW10 on one of the recent sales for $80. If you haven't heard better it's great --- that's what he said to me. My response - Once you've heard better then it sounds like it's farting on nearly every note.

I personally wouldn't recommend much under $300, and then I'd recommend the Klipsch RW-12D from what I know currently to be available. That's way over your stated budget - and if you don't need that much to be happy - then ignore --- but in my mind that's about the cheapest budget sub I've heard that would be satisfactory to me. If you trust the newegg reviewers than the SW-8 is all the rave. biggrin.gif

The BIC F12 at $199 is so much a better sub than the SW-8 that any comparison is utterly pointless. The SW-8 taxes out at about 85dB max. The BIC F12 at about 115dB. Both falter a bit above 30hz, but you could actually enjoy watching a movie with the BIC F12. The RW-12D I mentioned earlier covers the majority of the subwoofer audible frequency spectrum for the most part and is a better subwoofer for that reason --- extending to down to 22hz or 24hz or so which is pretty outstanding at the $300 pricepoint.

This thread might be a reasonable resource to you to see what others recommend at pricepoints: I've come to realize I'm a bit of a spoiled subwoofer snob these days - but once you hear a good sub - it's hard to go back and get any excitement boiled up about inexpensive offerings.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1425179/the-subwoofer-recommendation-by-pricepoint-thread/0_20

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I'm not an audiophile. I have the Polk PSW10 and for 84 bucks it sounds pretty damn good. I also have the Hsu VTF-15H and that thing is a monster but cost 1000 bucks. Take a look at Hsu smaller subs.
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biggrin.gif I am looking at local used listings, so I may be able to get a used $300 - $400 Sub for around $100 - $200. I am also not an audiophile, I cant justify spending $500 - $1000 on a sub for my small bedroom, I actually got these Wharfedales with this receiver I bought so wanted to add something to compliment my speakers. I don't listen to Hip hop so house shaking bass is not important. Just want something decent to go with my speakers and add some bass. But I dont want it to sound like Fart though. Was really hoping I could get away with using something much cheaper and still sound nice.frown.gif
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You might be surpised how nice the Polk sounds for the price.
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For 300 bucks you could get a new Hsu STF-1, downfiring 8" sub.
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All the Polk subs that I found locally are going for around $250 - $300+ that's for used stuff eek.gif

I really like the Hsu STF-1, how is it? did you listen to it? or anybody here listened to it? I might look into that...

Also found some late model subs, mostly jap home theater systems, How are Sanyo stuff? Found a Sanyo Model SX DJ5 SB, Pretty tall sub. Its the one that looks kinda like a computer on the very right. I can get it for a few bucks, what do you think?


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junk

but it is active (powered) if dirt cheap you could try it out and throw it in the garage if it's especially terrible.

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anyway to wire a passive subwoofer in there? I'm still looking, friend actually gave me a cambridge subwoofer but its passive, do dunno...
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anyway to wire a passive subwoofer in there? I'm still looking, friend actually gave me a cambridge subwoofer but its passive, do dunno...

a passive sub needs an amp to make sound.
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I got an idea, what do you say I get that cheap sub, ditch the sub inside it and replace it with the 30W or 20W Cambridge Sub I have in the Sub my friend gave me? Can I do that? can I lower the sub output from 100W to around 30W to match my new sub? that should improve it right?
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So actually bought a Yamaha YST SW 200 earlier today off a guy who was selling it locally for around $60. eek.gif

Its has dual 8" subs and its got a remote too! pretty cool stuff I know cool.gif

thanks for the help folks, the camera on my iphone doesn't work anymore but here's a pic from online, this is the one I got. biggrin.gif
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