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Bill Fitzmaurice's Avatar Bill Fitzmaurice 08:19 PM 07-06-2013
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

I have seen this conversation many times. I dunno?.. I have had maybe around 30-40 different DIY and turnkey subs(13 SVS’s) and oddly never experienced the break-in phenomenon. I’m always on the watch for it though, thus checking/measuring calibration after some use.
How many times have you measured the driver T/S specs before and after break in? If that number is at least one you'd not question whether break in is real. You may not hear it, but only because the process is gradual, so as the break in occurs the change is not abrupt enough for you to perceive it.
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Can you produce any scientific proof or credible evidence that there's such a thing as a break-in for a subwoofer?
Same answer. The vast majority of those who deny break in not only lack the ability to measure T/S specs, they don't even know what they are.

steve nn's Avatar steve nn 08:42 PM 07-06-2013
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How many times have you measured the driver T/S specs before and after break in? If that number is at least one you'd not question whether break in is real. You may not hear it, but only because the process is gradual, so as the break in occurs the change is not abrupt enough for you to perceive it.

Knew you were going to step in Bill. I only have the ability to measure freq and calibration. If break-in happens as you state, I have never perceived any difference and have seen manufactures/names state the same. Maybe it’s so gradual it’s stated in this manner?? (like you say)

Here is a good artical on break-in http://www.gr-research.com/burnin.htm
Bill Fitzmaurice's Avatar Bill Fitzmaurice 08:59 PM 07-06-2013
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Knew you were going to step in Bill. I only have the ability to measure freq and calibration. If break-in happens as you state, I have never perceived any difference and have seen manufactures/names state the same. Maybe it’s so gradual it’s stated in this manner?? (like you say)
Some manufacturers downplay the importance of break in so that they won't get flack for being too cheap to do it themselves before shipping the speakers out. Some make silly claims of outrageous break in times of as much as 400 hours, mainly because their speakers don't live up to their hype, but after 400 hours you get used to the sound and it doesn't seem as bad...and the free return period has expired. And some tell it like it is:
http://www.gr-research.com/myths.htm
steve nn's Avatar steve nn 09:27 PM 07-06-2013
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

Some manufacturers downplay the importance of break in so that they won't get flack for being too cheap to do it themselves before shipping the speakers out. Some make silly claims of outrageous break in times of as much as 400 hours, mainly because their speakers don't live up to their hype, but after 400 hours you get used to the sound and it doesn't seem as bad...and the free return period has expired. And some tell it like it is:
http://www.gr-research.com/myths.htm

Gotcha!
dsrussell's Avatar dsrussell 02:09 AM 07-07-2013
Congratulations on your SB13-Ultra purchase SBO5007. I'm sure you'll absolutely love it. I purchased mine, oh, I guess it's been a couple of months ago now. Time flies. I find it's an absolute marvel for music, so I use the Ultra 100 percent for music in my stereo system. I liked it so much I wrote two extremely long-winded reviews, one on Amazon.com and the other on the SVS website. I'm sure it bored anyone reading them, but when it comes to audio, I tend to go on and on....

As far as some of the questions concerning break in periods, my Maggies took a good 6 months to break in. My BIC subwoofer, I'd say a little over a month to find its full legs. The SVS sounded pretty good right out of the box, but needed a couple of weeks to pound deep enough to highlight multiple noises throughout my house (heck, I found another painting rattling just yesterday).
mcnabola's Avatar mcnabola 10:38 PM 07-17-2013
I read both of them @dsrussell. The ultra towers and sb13ultra arrive next week. Thanks for the yarn.
maxht's Avatar maxht 03:08 AM 07-19-2013
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Originally Posted by Willland View Post

I have the SB13 Plus(95% same sub) and I am blown away. Bought it used in like new condition about a month ago and added to my existing Revel B15 and Klipsch RSW-10d and all I can say is that my room 6000 cu. ft. room is now pressurized.

Bill
Mine is SB13-Plus in nice looking American Cherry finish. I had another PB13-Ultra (BASH) in rosenut finish. All in a 1800 cu ft room. biggrin.gif
hyghwayman's Avatar hyghwayman 05:47 AM 08-06-2013
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Congratulations on your SB13-Ultra purchase SBO5007. I'm sure you'll absolutely love it. I liked it so much I wrote two extremely long-winded reviews, one on Amazon.com and the other on the SVS website.

I read your review on Amazon, yep the entire review eek.gif it was long but I enjoyed it thoroughly and came to a similar conclusion musically wise cool.gif

SB13-Ultra on the left and Bic F12 on the right - only thing simular between the two is the size wink.gif
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dsrussell's Avatar dsrussell 04:19 PM 08-07-2013
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I read your review on Amazon, yep the entire review eek.gif it was long but I enjoyed it thoroughly and came to a similar conclusion musically wise cool.gif

SB13-Ultra on the left and Bic F12 on the right - only thing simular between the two is the size wink.gif
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I love your fortitude! Yeah, I can be a windbag when it comes to audio. I suspect your SB13-Ultra has planted a big smile on your face. But hey, those inexpensive BICs sure aren't bad for the price. I have (well had) a 12-inch down-firing BIC in my TV room. I received the PSA XS30 today and I'm auditioning it now (or breaking it in).
dsrussell's Avatar dsrussell 04:22 PM 08-07-2013
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I read both of them @dsrussell. The ultra towers and sb13ultra arrive next week. Thanks for the yarn.

Wow, both of them? Yarn is right, mcnabola. Tell me how you like your new SVS setup. It's got to sound fabulous!
hyghwayman's Avatar hyghwayman 06:54 AM 08-08-2013
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I love your fortitude! Yeah, I can be a windbag when it comes to audio. I suspect your SB13-Ultra has planted a big smile on your face. But hey, those inexpensive BICs sure aren't bad for the price. I have (well had) a 12-inch down-firing BIC in my TV room. I received the PSA XS30 today and I'm auditioning it now (or breaking it in).

Because I won my SB13-Ultra that big smile hasn't left me face, see biggrin.gif
So I read in the PSA thread you're using your SB13-U for 2ch music only eek.gif
Congrats on getting the XS30 can't wait to read your thoughts, specifically the differences between the SB13 and XS30
Did you ever try running the Bic w/ your SVS sub and if so how nice did they play together?
dsrussell's Avatar dsrussell 03:07 PM 08-08-2013
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Because I won my SB13-Ultra that big smile hasn't left me face, see biggrin.gif
So I read in the PSA thread you're using your SB13-U for 2ch music only eek.gif
Congrats on getting the XS30 can't wait to read your thoughts, specifically the differences between the SB13 and XS30
Did you ever try running the Bic w/ your SVS sub and if so how nice did they play together?

You won an SB13?! Wow, you don't have a smile, you have an ear-to-ear evil grin! Congratulations!

Yes, 2-channel music room. My Ultra is curled up next to my Maggies and doing wonders for my system. I also tested the Ultra out on movies. That was a big mistake (I was quite content until I heard the Ultra ... so I decided to audition the Hsu ULS-15 and the PSA XS30 and save a few bucks). If you think a 2-channel setup in the music room is shocking, wait till you hear that I don't have a home theater, just a simple stereo setup in the TV room with an Oppo BDP-83:). In fairness to my rather odd situation, I listen primarily to music vs movies (probably a 4 to 1 ratio).

No, I didn't try running the BIC with the Ultra. I wouldn't want the BIC for music anyway, and since it isn't shielded, it won't come within a country mile of the Maggies.

I'll be pulling out the Ultra from the stereo room and into the TV room this week so I can do some head-to-head comparisons between the two. Furniture sliders are a man's best friend….
hyghwayman's Avatar hyghwayman 03:46 PM 08-08-2013
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You won an SB13?! Wow, you don't have a smile, you have an ear-to-ear evil grin! Congratulations!


I'll be pulling out the Ultra from the stereo room and into the TV room this week so I can do some head-to-head comparisons between the two. Furniture sliders are a man's best friend….

Thanks, when I wake up in the morning and look in the mirror this is what I see


Can't wait to read it cool.gif
idealty's Avatar idealty 06:52 PM 08-13-2013
After being on the market for 10 months, can someone explain to me why not a single reviewer has actually done CEA 2010 measurement analysis on the SB13-ultra? Where are the Audioholics and SoundandVision reviews?
BillJulyan's Avatar BillJulyan 07:40 AM 08-15-2013
Just took delivery of a new SB-13 Ultra last night. Set it up this morning using the Audyssey built into my McIntosh MX121. The rest of my speakers are all B&W (L/R are 804, C is HTM4, surrounds and back surrounds are 805). The SB-13 Ultra seems to integrate well with my system. I got the piano black gloss finish to go with my B&W's. It sounds great, but I am relieved that it also looks good; from the pictures I'd seen, I was worried about the grill, but it looks fine. No complaints. All I did before running Audyssey was set the SB-13's volume to -10dB (as recommended by a guy at SVS) so it wouldn't get maximum reduction from Audyssey.
bambam's Avatar bambam 09:09 AM 08-15-2013
I currently have a pair of PB-13 Ultras. Love them. I'm thinking of moving to four subs, and would like to get a pair of the SB-13 Ultras. Do you think it would be better to have a pair of each (i.e. PB-13's and SB-13's) or have four of all the same? If I do all four of the same, it would have to be four SB-13's due to size constraints.

What do you think?
Ed Mullen's Avatar Ed Mullen 09:26 AM 08-15-2013
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I currently have a pair of PB-13 Ultras. Love them. I'm thinking of moving to four subs, and would like to get a pair of the SB-13 Ultras. Do you think it would be better to have a pair of each (i.e. PB-13's and SB-13's) or have four of all the same? If I do all four of the same, it would have to be four SB-13's due to size constraints.

What do you think?

Unless you want to run the PB13-Ultra in sealed mode, quad SB13-Ultra would be the best choice. The PB13U (in vented mode) and SB13U have dissimilar frequency and phase responses and may not integrate optimally in-room. Even with the PB13U in sealed mode, it would not have an identical phase response as the SB13U (but it would certainly be closer than vented mode). Ideally though, quad SB13U would be optimal.
bambam's Avatar bambam 09:33 AM 08-15-2013
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Unless you want to run the PB13-Ultra in sealed mode, quad SB13-Ultra would be the best choice. The PB13U (in vented mode) and SB13U have dissimilar frequency and phase responses and may not integrate optimally in-room. Even with the PB13U in sealed mode, it would not have an identical phase response as the SB13U (but it would certainly be closer than vented mode). Ideally though, quad SB13U would be optimal.

Awesome. Thanks for the quick feedback! So, overall, would quad SB-13's give me more slam than my current pair of PB-13's? Right now, the PB's do a nice job, as my theater is in the basement and on a concrete floor. Not sure if it's the ports that are helping with that? I run the PB's in vented mode - i.e. no ports filled.
Ed Mullen's Avatar Ed Mullen 12:07 PM 08-15-2013
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Awesome. Thanks for the quick feedback! So, overall, would quad SB-13's give me more slam than my current pair of PB-13's? Right now, the PB's do a nice job, as my theater is in the basement and on a concrete floor. Not sure if it's the ports that are helping with that? I run the PB's in vented mode - i.e. no ports filled.

The answer is frequency dependent. Quad SB13U would outgun dual PB13U (in vented mode) down to about 32 Hz. In the 16-32 Hz octave, dual PB13U in the 16 Hz vented mode will still outgun quad SB13U (which really shouldn't surprise anyone). With that said, subjectively in terms of punch/slam/impact, I believe you would find the quad SB13U to be more impressive on most source material.

The higher modal density from properly placed quad SB13U would also likely result in a more optimal frequency response at the listening positions.

Finally, depending on the size of the room, the layout and the integrity of the boundaries - your HT might exhibit a significant amount of 'room gain' (i.e., acoustic transfer function), and the SB13U (with its shallower roll-off slope) will take good advantage of that. So the in-room extension will often be considerably deeper than the quasi-anechoic FR might otherwise suggest.
hyghwayman's Avatar hyghwayman 12:41 PM 08-15-2013
That's some good solid info ED, thank you for sharing cool.gif
hyghwayman's Avatar hyghwayman 12:46 PM 08-15-2013
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Originally Posted by BillJulyan View Post

Just took delivery of a new SB-13 Ultra last night. Set it up this morning using the Audyssey built into my McIntosh MX121. The rest of my speakers are all B&W (L/R are 804, C is HTM4, surrounds and back surrounds are 805). The SB-13 Ultra seems to integrate well with my system. I got the piano black gloss finish to go with my B&W's. It sounds great, but I am relieved that it also looks good; from the pictures I'd seen, I was worried about the grill, but it looks fine. No complaints. All I did before running Audyssey was set the SB-13's volume to -10dB (as recommended by a guy at SVS) so it wouldn't get maximum reduction from Audyssey.
Welcome to the club Bill, I've got the same sub and absolutely love it.
Willland's Avatar Willland 09:57 PM 08-16-2013
Ed Mullen,

You guys got any SB13 Plus' in cherry lying around? I don't see any on the used market ever, except for the one I bought a few months ago. If I can find another cherry SB13 Plus, I will probably sell my fantastic Revel B15, which I know I will regret.frown.gif

Thanks,
Bill
Snowmanick's Avatar Snowmanick 12:30 AM 08-17-2013
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The answer is frequency dependent. Quad SB13U would outgun dual PB13U (in vented mode) down to about 32 Hz. In the 16-32 Hz octave, dual PB16U in the 16 Hz vented mode will still outgun quad SB13U (which really shouldn't surprise anyone). With that said, subjectively in terms of punch/slam/impact, I believe you would find the quad SB13U to be more impressive on most source material.

The higher modal density from properly placed quad SB13U would also likely result in a more optimal frequency response at the listening positions.

Finally, depending on the size of the room, the layout and the integrity of the boundaries - your HT might exhibit a significant amount of 'room gain' (i.e., acoustic transfer function), and the SB13U (with its shallower roll-off slope) will take good advantage of that. So the in-room extension will often be considerably deeper than the quasi-anechoic FR might otherwise suggest.

Dual PB16U's? Freudian slip or typo? Anything you'd care to share?
CHASLS2's Avatar CHASLS2 08:56 AM 08-31-2013
I'm thinking about getting oNe for my 14x13 bedroom to replace my SB12 NSD.
Willland's Avatar Willland 09:34 AM 08-31-2013
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I'm thinking about getting oNe for my 14x13 bedroom to replace my SB12 NSD.

Charles.

An SB13 Ultra will pound your room. I know if your previous Sunfire TSS could pressurize your room, the SB13U will have an easy go of it.

Bill
Willland's Avatar Willland 09:39 AM 08-31-2013
CHASLS2,

I sent you a PM through AVS.

Bill
CHASLS2's Avatar CHASLS2 10:20 AM 08-31-2013
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Charles.

An SB13 Ultra will pound your room. I know if your previous Sunfire TSS could pressurize your room, the SB13U will have an easy go of it.

Bill

My SB12 NSD does a good job as it is. I thinking about adding another SB12 NSD or going with the Ultra.
CHASLS2's Avatar CHASLS2 10:21 AM 08-31-2013
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CHASLS2,

I sent you a PM through AVS.

Bill

I got it. Thanks.
dsrussell's Avatar dsrussell 04:13 PM 09-01-2013
To all that may be interested: I have posted a review (a short synopsis ... well, short for me) on XS30 and how it compares to my SB13-Ultra, in the review section of this website. You can find it here: http://www.avsforum.com/products/xs30/reviews/4360
Kini62's Avatar Kini62 10:13 PM 09-01-2013
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To all that may be interested: I have posted a review (a short synopsis ... well, short for me) on XS30 and how it compares to my SB13-Ultra, in the review section of this website. You can find it here: http://www.avsforum.com/products/xs30/reviews/4360

Very nice review. Thanks for taking the time todo this. Things like this are very helpful to those looking to buy.
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