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I currently have a 10" Klipsch synergy subwoofer. I am trying to decide rather or not I want to repair the amplifier I have. (130) If anybody knows someone on the forum that could do these for less, I would definitely be happy to go that route as well. Get a new BASH 300 watt rms amp for it, where I may have to do some cutting to get it to fit correctly -something I am not fond of the idea of, though I do like the notion of having more power. (150). Or If I should go for the highly reviewed. BIC america F12. (189.00). Please let me know your opinions, I am having a hard time making a decision here. Thank you kindly!
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Without knowing your room size or budget it's going to be difficult for anyone to really help, but I'll give it a shot...

If your sub is 5 years or more old, and it's not a real expensive unit to begin with, then it's generally not worth repairing IMHO. You're often throwing good money after bad. If you aren't enthused with modifying the cabinet to try and fit a different amp then perhaps that option should be off the table as well. That would leave you with buying a new unit, if you consider my logic valid. The F12 you mentioned is not the cleanest or most articulate subwoofer on the planet, but for less than $200 it shouldn't be expected either. For HT in a small to medium sized room it can hold it's own though, so it might be worth considering.

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I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. I was browsing the forums and also noticed that you posted the Klipsch RW-12d on sale for $300, and you mention not throwing good money after bad. I am wondering if 100 or so more bucks will be worth the difference. Opinions? Are there any other options I should explore? Reusing my box? I am willing to modify if it will provide a quality product in the end, and a good result.
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Edit: Just noticed that post is quite old..... however they are still on sale for 350 shipped....I am tempted, as people seem to talk very highly of them.
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The Klipsch goes on sale rather frequently which is why I started that thread, as sort of an on-going place holder. Along with the RW-12d and the BIC you should perhaps check out the Cadence CSX-12. That one has a lot of output and is pretty articulate, but doesn't go quite as deep as some of the others in it's price class.

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I would wait for the Klipsch from newegg to go on sale again. It's a better sub than the 10" Klipsch Synergy
you have now, and would put the F-12 to shame. The F-12 IMO is a one note sub, (deep note, but one note).
Even if the Klipsch Rw-12 doesn't go on sale again, it's a good bargain at it's current price at newegg.

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jakerichards, if I was in the market for a budget sub I would probably get the Cadence CSX12 Mark II for $279 with free shipping. In my opinion it's build quality is better than the Klipsch and the small amount of low end frequency you would give up would not be noticeable. If you are into charts, with the exception of the small amount of low frequency, it measures just as good as the Klipsch and probably better.

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I am wondering if 100 or so more bucks will be worth the difference. Opinions?

Yes. Going from a 10" driver to a 12" driver, all things being equal, doubles the output or an equivalent increase in output of +3dB. It takes +10dB to create a "PERCEIVED" doubling in volume.

For your hundred bucks you get a more powerful amplifier, larger driver and deeper extension into the lower octaves. Yes, you'll be getting more than your money's worth when compared to replacing the Amp.

Currently on sale for $299.99.

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Yes. Going from a 10" driver to a 12" driver, all things equal, doubles the output. Just saying, +10dB is a perceived doubling in volume.

For your hundred bucks you get a more powerful amplifier, larger driver and deeper extension into the lower octaves. Yes, you'll be getting more than your money's worth when compared to replacing the Amp.

Currently on sale for $299.99.

Doubling come area gives 3db, not 10db.

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Doubling come area gives 3db, not 10db.

I didn't say what you posted in your above. Please reread what I posted. I said it doubles the output, and qualified that doubling output is not a doubling of "perceived" volume which takes an increase of +10dB.

I'll be more careful to quality this point (difference) in the future.
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I didn't say what you posted in your above. Please reread what I posted. I said it doubles the output, and qualified that doubling output is not a doubling of "perceived" volume which takes an increase of +10dB.

I'll be more careful to quality this point (difference) in the future.

I read it as "double the cone area, double the volume". To most people, output = volume.

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I read it as "double the cone area, double the volume". To most people, output = volume.

Now you're arguing as I freely admit I should have quantified my comment and I've stated, I'll be more careful to quantify both statements in the future. FYI, I've edited my comment so as to remove any unnecessary confusion.
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I read it as "double the cone area, double the volume". To most people, output = volume.
Doubling the cone area in and of itself gives nothing. It can give something, but exactly what that something is depends on a variety of factors, not just cone area.

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Doubling the cone area in and of itself gives nothing. It can give something, but exactly what that something is depends on a variety of factors, not just cone area.

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......So anyways smile.gif I just ordered one of the RW-12d's from an ebayer for 250 shipped right before Angler55's comment. I am pretty excited! BeeMan458 - That link takes me to the sub for 349.99. Thanks for all of your input. I will post as to how this stacks up to my old down firing Klipsch synergy 10". I am most nervous about this sub being front firing, and how I will like the difference.
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BeeMan458 - That link takes me to the sub for 349.99.

On the linked page, directly below the page heading, is a code (+ $50 off w/ promo code EMCXTXR223, ends 3/11) to be entered during the purchasing phase and you'll get the $299.99 price.

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This is a little delayed, but I love my new sub! (RW-12d) Loudness is about the same. It has more bass, without near as much rattle in the room. I didn't really know that bass could sound better from sub to sub. I never really thought a lot about the quality of bass. I am really happy with the purchase. Thanks for all of your input!
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Congrats, I love my new RW-12d's as well!

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