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Anyone have experience with these subs?
Which would be more bang for my dollar?
-Definitive Technology - ProSub 1000 10" 300-Watt Powered Subwoofer
Model: PSUB1000BLA
-MartinLogan - Dynamo 500 10" 360-Watt Powered Subwoofer
Model: DYNAMO 500
-Energy - 10" 400-Watt Powered Subwoofer
Model: ESW-C10
-Bowers and Wilkins - 8" 200-Watt Powered Subwoofer
Model: ASW68STB
- Niles - 6-1/2" 800-Watt Powered Subwoofer
Model: SW6.5

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You don't mention a budget, but if you can afford to spend $499 (shipped), the SVS PB-1000 (10" driver, 300W RMS amp, 19Hz @ -3dB) will easily outperform them all.

FWIW:
- The DefTech is most likely not 300W RMS. (DefTech is very *ahem* "optimistic" with their specs.)
- The ML is 120W RMS
- The Energy is 150W RMS
- The B&W is most likely 200W RMS.
- The Niles is 200W RMS.
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Thanks for the response.... the budget was 500 bucks.

Just out of curiousity.. would it sound better to have two PB1000 subs or one kick ass PB12-PLUS sub?

room is 14'x22' 9' ceilings 14' wall is open and the tv is on the 22' wall.

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Hi guys -

Thanks for the great feedback on the 1000-series! I've seen a few comments about max output of the 1000-series. Relative to their NSD counterparts, the 1000-series has similar mid/upper bass max output - the 1000 drivers are light mass and high sensitivity and really rip nicely with 300 watts from the new Sledge STA-300D platform. In the deep bass regions the NSDs do have about 40-50% more max output on average. So yes - a pair of PB-1000s will outgun a single PB12-NSD, and a pair of SB-1000s will outgun a single SB12-NSD - and they should of course, considering the price for a pair.
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Dual PB-1000s will give you smoother FR at the listening position, but the PB12-Plus will most likely give you greater overall output and greater extension. That said, and if you're seriously considering a $1,399 PB12-Plus, I think instead of dual PB-1000s you might want to consider dual PB12-NSDs ($1,449, shipped).
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Rythmik just extended the intro price on the LV12R for a couple more days, not sure how much longer. 550 shipped and going up to 600 plus shipping very soon. IMO it is the best available at that price. Do yourself a favor and go ahead and get two.
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At 1400 you might as well get a Rythmik FV15HP instead, it has tested better performance than the PB13 Ultra, so it will absolutely destroy a PB12 Plus. With respect to the PB1000 you would probably need a ceiling high stack of them to equal a single FV15HP.
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At 1400 you might as well get a Rythmik FV15HP instead, it has tested better performance than the PB13 Ultra, so it will absolutely destroy a PB12 Plus. With respect to the PB1000 you would probably need a ceiling high stack of them to equal a single FV15HP.

+1 FV15HP is da bomb. Next step up (imo) is Seaton / JTR. And that is a big jump. Some would argue SVS Ultra is next step...wouldn't fight them in that opinion either. It is just at that price range the 18'' big boys are so close...I couldn't help but skip it biggrin.gif
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At 1400 you might as well get a Rythmik FV15HP instead, it has tested better performance than the PB13 Ultra, so it will absolutely destroy a PB12 Plus. With respect to the PB1000 you would probably need a ceiling high stack of them to equal a single FV15HP.

I like the FV15HP so much I got two. However if I would not have been able to get the second within a year of the first I would have gone with two lesser subs. This setup is incredible.

Dual LV12R will be very nice though.
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+1 FV15HP is da bomb. Next step up (imo) is Seaton / JTR. And that is a big jump. Some would argue SVS Ultra is next step...wouldn't fight them in that opinion either. It is just at that price range the 18'' big boys are so close...I couldn't help but skip it biggrin.gif

The ones that argue it's a step up are usually the ones that own one. IMO the roughly 1db of extra output the SVS Ultra has over a FV15HP in the 16-20hz range is defiantly not worth the price difference, not to mention in many other ranges the FV15HP has an output advantage.

If the OP's budget is $1400 I do think he would ge better off going with duals subs if he was open to that. Two LV12R's is a compelling argument over a single FV15HP.

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So many choices.. ahhh

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Well, this thread escalated quickly. lol Went from a $500 budget to $1400 in the matter of a few posts. Awesome!

You have a pretty big room here. The dual LV12R's may serve you better here. They would give you tons of output down low, while really helping to smooth out the overall response in your room.

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OP,
2LV12Rs verse 1 FV15HP was just well discussed in the Rythmik thread, check it out.

In the end Brian said 1 FV15HP. If you co-locate the LV12Rs you get the same output but lose the nicer PEQ features of the FV15HP. Of course you can get a smoother natural response with two LV12Rs if you spread them out, but then they have less output. 2 co-located identical adds 6db. Spread out it varies but can be as little as 3db. A FV15HP has a 6db advantage over a LV12R. Also with duals if you don't have measurement gear you may not get them integrated well.
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16½x15½x9' is the correct measurement to my living room. As for my budget, I think I can talk the wife to allow me to spend 1,500. I will search for that thread for the heads up.
As for " measurement gear, " I dont know what this is atm. I have to search this forum. I am so excited.... Photos to come.

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16½x15½x9' is the correct measurement to my living room. As for my budget, I think I can talk the wife to allow me to spend 1,500. I will search for that thread for the heads up.
As for " measurement gear, " I dont know what this is atm. I have to search this forum. I am so excited.... Photos to come.
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Anyone have experience with these subs?
Which would be more bang for my dollar?
-Definitive Technology - ProSub 1000 10" 300-Watt Powered Subwoofer
Model: PSUB1000BLA
-MartinLogan - Dynamo 500 10" 360-Watt Powered Subwoofer
Model: DYNAMO 500
-Energy - 10" 400-Watt Powered Subwoofer
Model: ESW-C10
-Bowers and Wilkins - 8" 200-Watt Powered Subwoofer
Model: ASW68STB
- Niles - 6-1/2" 800-Watt Powered Subwoofer
Model: SW6.5

thanks,
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The Niles SW6.5 is on sale at Bestbuy for $308. Would this compare to the options I have been looking a like the Klipsch RW-12d? I dont believe it will given the 340 watt RMS on the RW-12d. im curious how important the max power is vs the RMS..?
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The Niles SW6.5 is on sale at Bestbuy for $308. Would this compare to the options I have been looking a like the Klipsch RW-12d? I dont believe it will given the 340 watt RMS on the RW-12d. im curious how important the max power is vs the RMS..?
Power aside, a 6.5" sub can't compete with a 12" sub.
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if you had to choose between a Klipsch rw-12d, a PA-150, or a VDR-12 (refurbished)...which would you choose? My space is quite large with vaulted ceilings.
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If it is a really large space, go with the PA-150, it has a lot more output than the others. The Klipsch may have more extension, but in a large space it may not be loud enough to matter.
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if you had to choose between a Klipsch rw-12d, a PA-150, or a VDR-12 (refurbished)...which would you choose? My space is quite large with vaulted ceilings.

Put it this way, I sold my 12in SVS and am getting rid of my Epik Legend and will keep the PA 150. It is a very good sub for the money and will most like out perform it's competition in it's price range. I have also own Klipsch subs.

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