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Shootouts and GTG's won't settle anything.
What does then since they all have similar output/extension? It surely helped me and many others here make the final decision.
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Why stop at the FV15HP? You'll have to throw the F25 into the mix, too.
That would be nice but the F25 just came out and is only available for local pick up only. I do not know of a person here owning the F25 just yet.
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What does then since they all have similar output/extension? It surely helped me and many others here make the final decision.

I think in the end it really just comes down to which you prefer, because there are just so many variables.

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It is very hard to know which one I prefer unless I have all of them in my room which even raise the cost of the sub for returning the one that I do not like. I usually read pro review first then read shootout/GTG to seal the deal.
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Shootouts and GTG's won't settle anything.
What does then? It surely helped me and many others here make the final decision.

Too many variables. The biggest one being: Who'll be ones doing the judging? And will it really be unbiased? In the end, all you'll get is more opinions. There won't be anything definitive.

You can sort through the opinions and make a decision. But isn't that what you're doing now?
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What does then since they all have similar output/extension? It surely helped me and many others here make the final decision.

Plus 1. The sub shoot out helped me decide on the FV15 over HSU or Epik (now apparantly a big fail..).

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I think psa, rythmik, hsu, and svs all make great products, but my number one deciding factor was customer service. Its 11:00 at night and Tom @ PSA is chatting with me via email making sure im happy with my choice and going over all the details. I contacted all othe internet direct companies and none of them were remotely close to being as helpful...rythmik was the least helpful and i contacted them first ready to buy a f25. my impression was they could care less if they sold me a sub. HSU would of been my next choice because they had pretty good support and SVS was decent.

Imo opinion customer service is one of the most important factors especially with internet direct, because the customer is buying blind per se. I know Tom will take the time to make sure im 100% satisfied. he even said he would be more than willing to help me set it up and never hesitate to contact him for anything! This is how america use to be and what i will continue to support! Somebody that appreciates his customers and is passionate about what he does is few and far between these days.
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Who did you speak to at Rythmik? Rythmik owner, Brian is about as good as it can get. He even went to one of his customer house (not sure if he had to fly) to help set up and trouble shoot. Now that is excellent service that I have not seen ever.
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Who did you speak to at Rythmik? Rythmik owner, Brian is about as good as it can get. He even went to one of his customer house (not sure if he had to fly) to help set up and trouble shoot. Now that is excellent service that I have not seen ever.
It was not Brian...I believe it was Enrico. Im not mad or upset with Rythmik, Tom just more helpful in my situation. After a few emails back and fourth, I asked Enrico to let me know when they could ship a F25, never got a response back. then I seen Enrico post in the Rythmik thread saying shipping was now available at a hefty cost. Regardless I should of got a response back dont ya think?
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Just saying, in my opinion, once installed, if having trouble, both Rythmik and PSA are going be there for you. It's not like either owner is going abandon you in your hour of subwoofer need.

With that in mind, based on all I've read here and from personal phone experience, PSA, Rythmik and SVS, consistently have risen, equally to the top. I'm not knocking anybody's product if their name is glaringly left off the above. These are my personal impressions as to these three manufactures.

Allow me to encourage, if wanting the F25, please, pursuit it further if that's the sub you really want. Don't let a misstep on an employee's part, put you off getting what you want. The good news, no matter whom you go with, Rythmik, PSA or SVS, my internet based impression, based on countless comments, you're going love what you hear.

The caveat, always buy more then you think you need. The common complaint that I read, "I want more." I "NEVER" read; "this thing is garbage and I wasted my money." They all have return policies and having to pay for returns, considering the size and weight of these boxes, is a normal and reasonably expected part of this process.

Customer service concerns aside, what hesitation do you have?
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I cant wait for it to show up!! I really dont see why anybody would go with anything else for the price and performance. its cheaper than a f15hp, has dual 15" drivers, and more power= WINNING!
dual 15's and more power does not translate to better sound/output. The FV15HP weighs more with less powerful amp and a single 15" driver which tell a lot about the sub quality parts used.
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dual 15's and more power does not translate to better sound/output. The FV15HP weighs more with less powerful amp and a single 15" driver which tell a lot about the sub quality parts used.

Amps don't weigh anything in todays top subs, they use class D amps which weigh next to nothing. PSA just like Rythmik uses very high quality drivers. The weight difference is most likely do to the FV15HP having a larger enclosure.

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dual 15's and more power does not translate to better sound/output. The FV15HP weighs more with less powerful amp and a single 15" driver which tell a lot about the sub quality parts used.

im not going to argue...you like rythmik and thats fine. Im not trying to start anything, but please research a bit before posting. the fv15hp is a larger enclosure. hince why i was wanting the f25. less footprint, but taller. rythmik subs are huge and dual f15's were not going to please the wife. the xs30 fits the bill for price, size, and ouput. i was never trying to make a compsrison on which is better...im in no posistion to do so. my comment was directed more towards what looks good on paper for my situation.
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Amps don't weigh anything in todays top subs, they use class D amps which weigh next to nothing. PSA just like Rythmik uses very high quality drivers. The weight difference is most likely do to the FV15HP having a larger enclosure.

this! and yet another reason why i went with the xs30.
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^^Rythmik used class H amp and correct me if I am wrong, sub driver weighs quite a bit compare to enclosure.
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im not going to argue...you like rythmik and thats fine.
I am just pointing out some facts between the two since you said 'two 15's and more powerful amp=winning' - I don't think so. The OP was asking between Rythmik and Hsu and all I am trying to do is to provide the facts that help him making his decision.
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Are you really trying to argue the quality of a product you don't own and I suspect haven't seen in person?
I can assure you PSA is a top quality sub, and if they didn't believe in the quality of it do you really think they would offer a full 5 year transferable warranty?
Last time I check Rythmik only offers a two year warranty on their amps.

I am not saying Rythmik are bad subs because they only offer a two year warranty, quite the opposite I really Brian's subs.
But it sounds like you're trying to tell people PSA quality isn't as good as Rythmik which is horse crap.

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I did not say PSA uses lesser quality part. Just want to point out the fact that Rythmik is well built with quality parts as confirmed by Audioholic and many other reviews/GTG. My comment was directly toward basshead when he said 'two 15's and more powerful amp = winning' which is not true. You seem to get offended when folks here recommend something you do not own.
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And I love them all. tongue.gif

I'm a dude; we need more power Scottie.

I'm giving it all I can Captain.

We're being pulled closer to the black hole Scottie, we have about sixty seconds and I don't care what you have to do, just get us out of here!

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The point, it's all about "FAITHFULLY" reproducing the sound track.

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Not at all, lots of times I've recommend Rythmik subs and HSU subs. I think Brian makes an extremely great product.
I think basshead is just very excited about owning a XS30 soon so of course he's going to recommend it.

Really the XS30 and FV15HP are two totally different designs so its not comparing apples to apples.

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Really the XS30 and FV15HP are two totally different designs so its not comparing apples to apples.

Actually, it is. You're comparing one "VERY" capable subwoofer system to another "VERY" capable subwoofer system. In real terms, that's as close to "Apple to Apples" as one is going get. What many folks fail to realize, the quality at this level is sooooooo, high that there is no better than another. There is only fit for system, based on the sound reproduction location.

And of course, this is "assuming" the genius behind the wheel, took the time to "PROPERLY" integrate their multiple subs into the room's acoustics.

When one comes to realize that this is as much about sound based philosophy as it is about the physical aspect of sound reproduction, everything will immediately become crystal clear.

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I meant in design, you would use a XV30 to compare with a FV15HP. I know the XS30 is a very capable design but I also know below 30hz the FV15HP will have more output to its port tune. But I also know below that port tune the XS30 would have an advantage and above 40hz it will have an output advantage.

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I meant in design, you would use a XV30 to compare with a FV15HP. I know the XS30 is a very capable design but I also know below 30hz the FV15HP will have more output to its port tune. But I also know below that port tune the XS30 would have an advantage and above 40hz it will have an output advantage.

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I am just pointing out some facts between the two since you said 'two 15's and more powerful amp=winning' - I don't think so. The OP was asking between Rythmik and Hsu and all I am trying to do is to provide the facts that help him making his decision.

I meant in price, size, power...didnt mean it made the sub better than rythmik. I feel your picking my post apart because of my comment about rythmiks customer support. well im the type that tells it how it is!! If rythmik wanted my business they would of done everything they could to sell me a f25. simply saying we are not shipping f25's via email when the website clearly lets you add to cart + 180.00 in shipping is not a great look for the company. especially when they hop on the forums 3days after the fact and tell everybody they now do ship them...but I never got a follow up email. so that tells me they did not want my business. however thats ok Tom took care of me, so now we can move on.


I know what the op wanted and i was sharing my experience with rythmiks customer support. HSU was good, so I would go with them or PSA based on my experience.
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It was not Brian...I believe it was Enrico. Im not mad or upset with Rythmik, Tom just more helpful in my situation. After a few emails back and fourth, I asked Enrico to let me know when they could ship a F25, never got a response back. then I seen Enrico post in the Rythmik thread saying shipping was now available at a hefty cost. Regardless I should of got a response back dont ya think?

all i have to say is , in the begin i wanted to go with rythmik all the way , good reviews , nice looking sub ..... but after sending mail to many sub brand , hsu/psa/rythmik/svs ... only 1 of them lack of explanation.. what i meant is , I am actualy scared of buying a 1500$+ sub without hearing it .. i work hard for my money and scraed to be desapointed .

so im many email sended to all those company , i asked some question about the best for my room size and the feeling i was expecting from the sub ( wanted to make sure i was purchasing the punch in the chest i am looking for ) they all pretty much help the best they could , except rythmik ... wich is the one i was expecting the most answer since i want this brand ...

the only actual answer i had is '' The F15HP would be OK in a 3000 cf room. '' ... i was expecting more details about the way the sub perfrom and how is the sound of that sub ( strenght and weakness ) , they construct it i guess they know it more than any1 !

still consider rythmik alot , but i just wished they could make me feel a bit more warm into this transaction , maybe its just me who is not used to online shopping ...


broken english ftw ! hope i dont give u guys hard time ... i also hope rythmil staff wont be mad at this post , nothing against them , just the way i felt about this . i know they are busy people , and probly lot of people mailing them from all side .
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all i have to say is , in the begin i wanted to go with rythmik all the way , good reviews , nice looking sub ..... but after sending mail to many sub brand , hsu/psa/rythmik/svs ... only 1 of them lack of explanation.. what i meant is , I am actualy scared of buying a 1500$+ sub without hearing it .. i work hard for my money and scraed to be desapointed .

so im many email sended to all those company , i asked some question about the best for my room size and the feeling i was expecting from the sub ( wanted to make sure i was purchasing the punch in the chest i am looking for ) they all pretty much help the best they could , except rythmik ... wich is the one i was expecting the most answer since i want this brand ...

the only actual answer i had is '' The F15HP would be OK in a 3000 cf room. '' ... i was expecting more details about the way the sub perfrom and how is the sound of that sub ( strenght and weakness ) , they construct it i guess they know it more than any1 !

still consider rythmik alot , but i just wished they could make me feel a bit more warm into this transaction , maybe its just me who is not used to online shopping ...


broken english ftw ! hope i dont give u guys hard time ... i also hope rythmil staff wont be mad at this post , nothing against them , just the way i felt about this .

you are not alone as I felt the same way. dont worry about it speak how you feel!
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all i have to say is , in the begin i wanted to go with rythmik all the way , good reviews , nice looking sub ..... but after sending mail to many sub brand , hsu/psa/rythmik/svs ... only 1 of them lack of explanation.. what i meant is , I am actualy scared of buying a 1500$+ sub without hearing it .. i work hard for my money and scraed to be desapointed .

so im many email sended to all those company , i asked some question about the best for my room size and the feeling i was expecting from the sub ( wanted to make sure i was purchasing the punch in the chest i am looking for ) they all pretty much help the best they could , except rythmik ... wich is the one i was expecting the most answer since i want this brand ...

the only actual answer i had is '' The F15HP would be OK in a 3000 cf room. '' ... i was expecting more details about the way the sub perfrom and how is the sound of that sub ( strenght and weakness ) , they construct it i guess they know it more than any1 !

still consider rythmik alot , but i just wished they could make me feel a bit more warm into this transaction , maybe its just me who is not used to online shopping ...


broken english ftw ! hope i dont give u guys hard time ... i also hope rythmil staff wont be mad at this post , nothing against them , just the way i felt about this . i know they are busy people , and probly lot of people mailing them from all side .

I am definitely all for saying how you feel. If they didn't give you the warm and fuzzies you're looking for then by all means, take you money someplace else. From the postings here, the Rythmik subs are great but I don't consider them to be heads and tails above all others when you look at what they cost. In the end, all any of these sub companies have to sell is customer service. To be honest, you can get a sub that will serve your purposes from Rythmik, Hsu, PSA, SVS, etc. None of them have a monopoly on great subs but from reading some of the posts, you would think one or two do.

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