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Hey guys,

Id love a SVS PB1000 but trying to stay around $400 max, Does anyone have any suggestions?
So far from reading countless posts on here I keep hearing about the Klipsch RW-12D I do about
50/50 Music & Movies.

Any suggestions new or used would be greatly appreciated, Have been frequently checking audiogon, craigslist, ebay etc.

Came across a REL Q201E is this compareable to a RW-12D? ( better / worse ? )

Anything you guys have that can help would be greatly apreciated, My RIG is in my SIG!

Im sure anything suggested will smoke my 8 year old Klipsch KSW12 ( 150watts RMS )

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Check out the Premier Acoustic PA-150. It has massive mid and upper bass. It isn't that great below 30 hz, but it's upper bass output surpasses that of the PB13 Ultra. It has mid bass on par with the Outlaw LFM EX. I think it could stomp on a PB1000. It is kinda large though. You can see it's measurements and compare them to other subs here.
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I will look into that premier sub, I would also like to know the following :

If I could grab a Sunfire True Subwoofer Mark IV for $400 would it be worth it over a RW-12d? I know its an 8" woofer but its around 800watts RMS.. ? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

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honestly for 279.00 rw12-d is going to be tough to beat in the 400 and under category.
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I will look into that premier sub, I would also like to know the following :

If I could grab a Sunfire True Subwoofer Mark IV for $400 would it be worth it over a RW-12d? I know its an 8" woofer but its around 800watts RMS.. ? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

cabinent size is far more important than power. a bigger, more efficient driver, with 350watts rms in a bigger ported enclosure will trump that sunfire. the sunfire was there to capture the market of folks who want a great looking small subwoofer. there is a reason all your internet direct comanies use larger enclosures for there flagship subs. its just like a car enthusiast trying to make big horsepower, there is no replacement for displacement.
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If I could grab a Sunfire True Subwoofer Mark IV for $400 would it be worth it over a RW-12d? I know its an 8" woofer but its around 800watts RMS.. ?
Sound levels aren't measured in watts, they're measured in decibels. Low frequency extension isn't measured in watts, it's measured in hertz. There is no direct correlation between watts and decibels or hertz, so how much power an amp will put out or a driver will handle says nothing about how loud or low it will go.
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cabinent size is far more important than power. a bigger, more efficient driver, with 350watts rms in a bigger ported enclosure will trump that sunfire.
Usually. It is possible for a smaller driver/cab to equal or even better a larger driver/cab if the driver has sufficient excursion and will take enough power, but more often than not the larger driver/cab will win out.

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Sound levels aren't measured in watts, they're measured in decibels. Low frequency extension isn't measured in watts, it's measured in hertz. There is no direct correlation between watts and decibels or hertz, so how much power an amp will put out or a driver will handle says nothing about how loud or low it will go.
Usually. It is possible for a smaller driver/cab to equal or even better a larger driver/cab if the driver has sufficient excursion and will take enough power, but more often than not the larger driver/cab will win out.

Cool looks like you guys are helping me make up my mind very easily smile.gif ( RW-12D )
Esp since its new and cheapeast, Sounds like its going to work the best in my configuration.
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cabinent size is far more important than power. a bigger, more efficient driver, with 350watts rms in a bigger ported enclosure will trump that sunfire. the sunfire was there to capture the market of folks who want a great looking small subwoofer. there is a reason all your internet direct comanies use larger enclosures for there flagship subs. its just like a car enthusiast trying to make big horsepower, there is no replacement for displacement.

Sounds like its going to be the Klipsch Sub smile.gif Thanks!
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honestly for 279.00 rw12-d is going to be tough to beat in the 400 and under category.

Best price I see currently is $349 from Newegg and if bought from there eBay store I believe there will be no tax.
Is there someone else selling for less?

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Check it again. With the listed promo code "EMCXSXV78," Newegg has it delivered for $279.99.

Now thass-a good deal.

WHICH is better bic f12 or klipsch rw 12d?what are the advantages and disadvantages?

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Depth of extension, the RW-12d.

Amplification, the RW-12d.

Controls, the RW-12d.

Delivered price, the F12.

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Depth of extension, the RW-12d.

Amplification, the RW-12d.

Controls, the RW-12d.

Delivered price, the F12.

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how about if i will get 2 bic f12 used? or should i go 1 sub bnew klispch?

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Check it again. With the listed promo code "EMCXSXV78," Newegg has it delivered for $279.99.

Now thass-a good deal.

Now thats awesome!!!!! $299 Shipped Thanks ORDERED!!

Dont need any more convincing this should blow the doors off my 8 year old KSW Klipsch 12 w/105 watts RMS

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I couldn't resist and picked one up today also. With tax, for us, three day delivery, $300.99
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I couldn't resist and picked one up today also. With tax, for us, three day delivery, $300.99

Awesome! Yep same here, They have a warehouse in NJ so we pay sales tax but still for $300 im hearing this cant be beat.

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I couldn't resist and picked one up today also. With tax, for us, three day delivery, $300.99

im thinking about picking one up in addition to my xs30. what are your thoughts? im thinking hooking it up wireless and placing it back behind my couch. i have my 505's sold and dont really want to combine them with the xs30.
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Does anyone know how the Premier Acoustic PA-150 compares to the Klipsch? I am debating between the two.
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Does anyone know how the Premier Acoustic PA-150 compares to the Klipsch? I am debating between the two.

I think the Klipsch will have a more even frequency response, but no way is it going to match the PA-150 in mid and upper bass output.
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im thinking about picking one up in addition to my xs30. what are your thoughts? im thinking hooking it up wireless and placing it back behind my couch. i have my 505's sold and dont really want to combine them with the xs30.

My thoughts? Stating the obvious, I'd first set the XS30 up and take a bunch of room measurements to see what sort of graph you have and go from there. Without graphs as a guide, one is only guessing. There's no doubt, the XS30 is a "VERY" capable, dual driver, subwoofer.
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My thoughts? Stating the obvious, I'd first set the XS30 up and take a bunch of room measurements to see what sort of graph you have and go from there. Without graphs as a guide, one is only guessing. There's no doubt, the XS30 is a "VERY" capable, dual driver, subwoofer.

yea thats what im going to do...for some reason im getting a bit ahead of myself lol.
do you have a link to a affordable spl meter to use with rew?
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do you have a link to a affordable spl meter to use with rew?

FWIW, I've tried several sound level meters and this is the one I'm most partial to.

My only complaint with this sound meter, the panel's back light will only stay on about five seconds and there's no permanent on feature that I know of.
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FWIW, I've tried several sound level meters and this is the one I'm most partial to.

My only complaint with this sound meter, the panel's back light will only stay on about five seconds and there's no permanent on feature that I know of.

Thanks! I will pick one up...does a standard usb cable interface between the Meter and PC?
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Thanks! I will pick one up...does a standard usb cable interface between the Meter and PC?

It doesn't have a USB connection. By chance are you thinking of a USB microphone? confused.gif

The sound level meter does have both AC and DC, analogue out which can be hooked up to a frequency analyzer or a X-Y axis recorder but no USB connective ability.

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It doesn't have a USB connection. By chance are you thinking of a USB microphone? confused.gif

The sound level meter does have both AC and DC, analogue out which can be hooked up to a frequency analyzer or a X-Y axis recorder but no USB connective ability.

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i have no measuring equipment or have no idea what all i need. how about this package from dayton?
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=390-792
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i have no measuring equipment or have no idea what all i need. how about this package from dayton?
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=390-792
This is all you need, along with freeware like REW or HolmImpulse.
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=390-808

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This is all you need, along with freeware like REW or HolmImpulse.
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=390-808

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I was in your spot last year. Went to a local shop that only sells only Klipsch and Polk. (this was not a specialty speak shop shop) Also went to a specialty speak shop that sells, KEF, Monitor Audio, B&W, Paradigm, JL subs ext. Listened to a whole verity of subs in my budget at both places. Even a little more. For my ears, I found any of the Klipsch (low or high end) to sound like garbage. Really. I was quite surprised. The specialty speaker shop had much better subs, but non in my price range. Went with the PA-150 from the review here. It amazing. The lows don't get super deep like Epik or SVS. But id go so far as to say its def the best bang for your buck sub. It rocks the house. TRON is a godsend of a movie with that sub! If you can swing it. Go SVS or Epik. If not, save some money and go PA-150. my .02
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I think the Klipsch will have a more even frequency response, but no way is it going to match the PA-150 in mid and upper bass output.

I own a PA-150 and a Epik Legend which is rated 20-200 Hz. The PA -150 has a slightly better response in the 20-30 Hz range in my room. The PA-150 also sounds great with music. If I had to choose between them, the PA-150 would be the winner. These two subs in my system deliver a very smooth, detailed and powerful combination for HT and music. These subs are in an RF 7 HT which are bass heavy speakers and high spl speakers. Get the PA-150 it is a great sub for the money!

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