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Newbie here, and I need a little help deciding which sub to go with. I'm in the process of putting a home theater together, and the sub is the last thing I need to get. I've got a fairly large room (24x18) with a cathedral ceiling. I've sort of narrowed the choice down between a kipsch sw-112 or a hsu Vtf-2 mk4. I've got a budget of about $600...due to the budget and WAF factor, I need to go with 1 sub for the time being. I can always add an additional one later.

So which way should I go?
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IMO, the SVS PB-1000 (one now...and another one later on?) would be a very solid choice:
- 10" driver
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- $499, shipped
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Go for a Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX, right now is on on sale for $630 shipped, it will have far better performance than the VTF2, PB1000, or SW-112. You have a big room and you will need all the output you can afford.
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Newbie here, and I need a little help deciding which sub to go with. I'm in the process of putting a home theater together, and the sub is the last thing I need to get. I've got a fairly large room (24x18) with a cathedral ceiling. I've sort of narrowed the choice down between a kipsch sw-112 or a hsu Vtf-2 mk4. I've got a budget of about $600...due to the budget and WAF factor, I need to go with 1 sub for the time being. I can always add an additional one later.

Does the WAF apply to one sub or the $600.00 budget? If you can buy two subs with the $600.00 budget, I'd go with a pair of Klipsch, RW-12d which can be had, delivered (minus local taxes), for $279.99 from Newegg. Two RW-12d's will is a better choice than one PB-1000 but if you're limited to one subwoofer, the better way to go would be the SVS, PB-1000.

Two lesser subs are better than one next step up, better sub due to spreading sound waves out and around the room, known as smoothing. Smoothing gets rid of sonic holes or nulls where sound waves meet in the room and in effect, cancel each other out.
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I would go with the Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX. It's basically has the same features of a HSU VTF3/4 or the Hsu VFt2/3....and has the variable tuning of one port
plugged for max ex, unplugged for max output. You will love it....and multiples are nice for smoothing out and evening out the bass across
the listening area, so Beeman has a point when he says get multiples (I have 3). If you can, save up for a second sub (try to make it match the Outlaw,
or HSU) depending on which you decide to go with.

I've had the VTF3/3 and VTF2/3 and both would be very capable subs in your listening area. Great subs with superb customer service from HSU.
l do own an Outlaw audio piece (not a sub), and their customer service is very good also.


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(I have 3).

Hi Vardo. Since our last interaction, we've added a third Klipsch sub, an on sale, RW-12d sub from Newegg. The room finally sounds alive.

...biggrin.gif

(still breaking in the sub and a bit more to go in properly integrating the addition into the room's acoustics)

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Hey Bee,

How are ya?!

Sounds like (per your posts) you are one happy guy with the Klipsch RW-12D as your third sub. Really opens things up!
Nothing like being surrounded by bass......betcha it sounds great.

I've got a 3rd PSA XV-15 being delivered next Tuesday. Had to experiment around before ordering it (put another but
very dissimilar sub directly behind the listening area tongue.gif ).

Made a huge difference....so I could not help myself and ordered a third sub from PSA smile.gif .

Really helps out with the null I have......that happens when you sit right in the middle of a 20'L room.

Anxious to see the result of your (freq curve) when all is said and done.

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I've got a 3rd PSA XV-15 being delivered next Tuesday.

Now that's how it's suppose to be done. biggrin.gif
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I had thought about the rw-12d, but it seemed like there were a lot of problems in shipping (broken grills, loose ports, etc). I got a little apprehensive about that.

And the WAF factor is mostly the budget. Although she would probably think 2 big subs is a bit overkill. But if those 2 would be better than 1 of the others mentioned, then I could probably persuade her. Just a little nervous of what would come in the two packages from newegg.
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HarleyBC....

Those Klipsch subs for $299 are probably the best deal on the internet.

If you can convince the wife, go for it! 2 subs will really fill out the bass.

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maybe sound stupid but ... WAF mean ?
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The last day of the $279.99 deal, is tomorrow. With local taxes applied to the purchase price, our tab was $300.99. Tick-tock.

As to the broken grills, based on what others have had to post, a call to Klipsch customer service will reward you with a replacement grill.

As to the loose tube issue, simply sticking your hand in the vent opening and pulling on the tube, moves the loose porting tube back into place and if need be, simply remove the driver and glue that puppy into place.

Despite these minor inconveniences, the RW-12d is the Top Dog of this price point. The box is huge as the sub is double boxed, a factory box, inside a larger shipping box, supported with thick Styrofoam padding panels; well packed.

Remember, two subs is better than one sub, it's da law.

Hope the above helps.

...biggrin.gif

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maybe sound stupid but ... WAF mean ?

Wife Approval Factor.

...wink.gif
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Wife Approval Factor.

...wink.gif




LOL ...
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I just ordered two rw-12d subs from newegg last week. They came in just the sub box and not double boxed like I had read about others getting online.

I was prepared to find a broken grille or loose port but both subs didn't have any issues whatsoever. Maybe I got lucky but you also have to realize that people will complain far more than they will praise. So you're going to hear more about the issues versus all the perfect shipments.

That said, I would recommend to get 2 of these. And as others have stated the fixes are very minor and easy to fix by yourself.

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Hey Bee,

How are ya?!

Sounds like (per your posts) you are one happy guy with the Klipsch RW-12D as your third sub. Really opens things up!
Nothing like being surrounded by bass......betcha it sounds great.

I've got a 3rd PSA XV-15 being delivered next Tuesday. Had to experiment around before ordering it (put another but
very dissimilar sub directly behind the listening area tongue.gif ).

Made a huge difference....so I could not help myself and ordered a third sub from PSA smile.gif .

Really helps out with the null I have......that happens when you sit right in the middle of a 20'L room.

Anxious to see the result of your (freq curve) when all is said and done.

vardo

triple xv15's....now thats what im talkin bout jack!
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Let's assume that the WAF is far too great biggrin.gif...and thus requiring a single sub. If you had to pick one, which one would you go with?

I appreciate all the help. These forums have a ton of very useful info...thanks again!
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Let's assume that the WAF is far too great biggrin.gif...and thus requiring a single sub. If you had to pick one, which one would you go with?

I appreciate all the help. These forums have a ton of very useful info...thanks again!
Klipsch rw12 or Big America PL200 are great budget subs
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Let's assume that the WAF is far too great biggrin.gif...and thus requiring a single sub. If you had to pick one, which one would you go with?

I appreciate all the help. These forums have a ton of very useful info...thanks again!

Yes, the WAF is a powerful force indeed but I bet if the husband tries, he'll find a way to slowly get a second or third sub into the room. Incessant whining has been known to work. tongue.gif

"Crap, shut up! Yes, if you'll shut up, put ten subs in the room!"

........biggrin.gif
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Hey Bee,

How are ya?!

Sounds like (per your posts) you are one happy guy with the Klipsch RW-12D as your third sub. Really opens things up!
Nothing like being surrounded by bass......betcha it sounds great.

I've got a 3rd PSA XV-15 being delivered next Tuesday. Had to experiment around before ordering it (put another but
very dissimilar sub directly behind the listening area
tongue.gif ).

Made a huge difference....so I could not help myself and ordered a third sub from PSA smile.gif .

Really helps out with the null I have......that happens when you sit right in the middle of a 20'L room.

Anxious to see the result of your (freq curve) when all is said and done.

vardo

This is almost my exact experience except I have 2 XS15s. I'm ordering 2 more very shortly. biggrin.gif

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Anxious to see the result of your (freq curve) when all is said and done.

Hi Vardo.

Can't say it's all said and done but the graph is looking mighty good, +/-3dB from 19Hz to 78Hz and then that pesky null kicks in.

10dB graph, no smoothing applied:



For all the effort and expense, we're getting a solid 19Hz and this from boxes originally tuned to 28Hz. And even though obviously needing to eliminate that glaring null, we're still not using room treatments. tongue.gif

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Any other thoughts on the Outlaw vs Hsu listed above?
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Any other thoughts on the Outlaw vs Hsu listed above?

The EX vs. the HSU VTF-2 MK4? The EX is the winner free and clear. Now the choice between the VTF-3.4 and the EX would be a contentious one, when the EX is at regular price.

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Just a little nervous of what would come in the two packages from newegg.
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Any 15" or 18" subs available for his $600 budget?
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klipsch sw-115 400watt rms for 649.00 shipped on ebay. bnib but they are scratch and dent...thats the closest youll get to 600.00 for a decent 15" sub. I got a quote for 1200.00 shipped for 2. However with the lack of reviews , I went with PSA XV15's.
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Just a little nervous of what would come in the two packages from newegg.

In the case of two subwoofers, a whole heck of a lot of cardboard. tongue.gif
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Any 15" or 18" subs available for his $600 budget?

I found a Klipsch SW-115 for a little over my $600 budget...compared to the Outlaw, Hsu or SVS, would that be the best option for me?
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Hi Vardo.

Can't say it's all said and done but the graph is looking mighty good, +/-3dB from 19Hz to 78Hz and then that pesky null kicks in.

10dB graph, no smoothing applied:



For all the effort and expense, we're getting a solid 19Hz and this from boxes originally tuned to 28Hz. And even though obviously needing to eliminate that glaring null, we're still not using room treatments. tongue.gif

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Wow...that really is a great graph from the RW12Ds...I have 2 RW 12Ds and 2 PL-200s. Since I moved all four of them to the front of the room, my response looks very good also.

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Wife Approval Factor.

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Wife approval? You've got to be kidding me.

What a contradiction in terms...rolleyes.gif

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