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Okay folks, I bought the Pioneer SP BS22-LR speakers awhile back, and am now looking for a sub for them. I might be over budgeting my subwoofer ATM, but, I will be using this subwoofer for my next few speaker purchases. Budget is $400 max, I'll be using a calibration mic to EQ it flat, but will turn up the sub all the way (And/or turn off the EQ) for the days I want to go club like and shake the house with bass. I have no size limit, and it will be for a nearfield speaker system in a small room (100 sq. feet) on the second floor of an older house. Uses will be as follows (50% music / 30% anime and movies / 20% games). I want a really clean, deep bass, but a lot of impact at high levels for the club affect and games or electro if I feel that way. I couldn't care about the looks at all, or where in the room a put it. I also want to get the sub within 1 month of ordering.

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klipsch rw-12d...check the thread out on it in this section.
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klipsch rw-12d...check the thread out on it in this section.

 

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Haha, I know panthers from another forum, I recommended the Klipsch to him too but told him to ask around here if he wants to max that $400 budget and is wondering if there's any better than the Klipsch for $100 more. smile.gif
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Based on your above, I'd recommend increasing your budget and buy a Rythmik, LV12R.

You might consider buying two Klipsch, RW-12d's, stacking one on top of the other. Yes, my recommendation is more costly then your stated budget but doing so will better represent what you're asking for in your original post.

The reality of the issue, what you're posting about wanting, is more than $400.00 is going get you in subwoofer talent. If your budget is hard $400.00, first go with a delivered, on sale, Klipsch, RW-12d as that's the Top Dog of the price point. If you're serious about wanting what you described, buy a RW-12d and as soon as you're able, buy a second RW-12d and stack the second one on top of the first one. Doing it this way, although $600.00 vs your stated $400.00 budget, you'll be getting what you're wanting; rock the house bass, in your 100sqft room, that will be able to keep up with your next couple of speaker purchases.

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+1 to the Klipsch RW-12d. By all accounts, the best bang-for-the-buck subwoofer, when on sale for ~$300 at Newegg.com.
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...the best bang-for-the-buck subwoofer, when on sale for ~$300 at Newegg.com.

Currently on sale at Newegg for $299.99.
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Currently on sale at Newegg for $299.99.
Yup - see post #3.
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@beeman: Well, considering that doubling on a sub gains you just 6dB (edit: no, 3dB) over the ~100dB ceiling of a single sub, I'd say he'd do well to buy one Klipsch first and see if that fits his needs. He's going from no sub and listening mostly to headphones to his first real sub, don't you bass nuts spoil him so soon tongue.gif
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I'm too old to be the voice of reason.

If somebody wants to rock the joint, I'm gonna tell them how. biggrin.gif

In his room, he should be able to get 107dB out of the first sub and by adding the second, should be able to get 113dB which is enough to cause ear ringing and not have the system bottom out.

A two sub system like what I described, can night club style, rock out, at 95dB, all night long and not break a sweat. And if that's what he wants, that's what he'll get in a two subwoofer, Klipsch, RW-12d system, stacked one on top of the other.

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Yea the Klipsch RW-12d is a good sub. I wish I skipped buying that first entry level sub and moved up to the entry level subs of SVS or Rythmik like I have now. That is just one less upgrade it will cost him. I know I have more upgrades in my future.

I say if you can swing the extra $100 go for the entry level SVS OR Rythmik.

Just my 2 cents saved for my next upgrade

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Yea the Klipsch RW-12d is a good sub. I wish I skipped buying that first entry level sub and moved up to the entry level subs of SVS or Rythmik like I have now. That is just one less upgrade it will cost him. I know I have more upgrades in my future.

I say if you can swing the extra $100 go for the entry level SVS OR Rythmik.

Just my 2 cents saved for my next upgrade

ya but if your going to step up and spend 500.00 plus on a entry level svs or rythmik, then i would take another jump and spend 629.00 shipped on a outlaw LMF-1EX wich will blow the doors off of the previously mentioned entry level subs. its capable of 113db and extension to 16-18hz.
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You're not being fair.

The original budget was stated to be $400.00 and jumping from $400.00 to $629.00 isn't as easy for some as it is for others. In the case of the RW-12d, one can half-step from a purchased first one into a saved up for, second one.
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You're not being fair. The original budget was stated to be $400.00 and jumping from $400.00 to $629.00 isn't as easy for some as it is for others. Just saying.
I agree but neither is going from 400 to 500+ after shipping...again my original post remains, for a 400.00 budget the klipsch is the right choice. my point was to my second post is if the op is now going past his 400.00 budget then the outlaw is a better buy, thats all i was trying to say.
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Agreeing, anything better, is always better. smile.gif

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Great points BeeMan458. Guess upgrading never ends. So set your price point and pull the trigger. Go with the RW-12d.

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Currently, I'm satisfying my lust for bass content with two, upgraded, eighteen year old Klipsch subs and a recently added Klipsch, RW-12d with recently added measuring ability so as to better aid the ability to properly integrate the subs into our room's acoustics.

Agreeing with your above regarding upgrading, never ends. The next add will be a separate amplifier (Emotiva, XPA-5) as opposed to adding more wooffage.
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@beeman: Well, considering that doubling on a sub gains you just 6dB over the ~100dB ceiling of a single sub, I'd say he'd do well to buy one Klipsch first and see if that fits his needs. He's going from no sub and listening mostly to headphones to his first real sub, don't you bass nuts spoil him so soon tongue.gif

"Ummmm


Double power = +3dB
Double amplitude (voltage & etc) = 6dB

Which means twice the volume. what am I missing here??
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Double power = +3dB
Double amplitude (voltage & etc) = 6dB

Which means twice the volume. what am I missing here??

Our bad. Doubling on subs = doubling power = +3dB
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I wish I had the cash for a more expensive one, but, I don't have a job (14), and have a list of things I want to buy next. I think I'll go with the Klipsch while it's on sale, build a better amp for my mains, get better speakers, better sub time. biggrin.gif
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Ordered the Klipsch! biggrin.gif
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Back in the day, 1992, this subwoofer would have run $900.00. When inflation is taken into consideration, you're getting a $1,500.00 subwoofer for three hundred bucks and it's brand new. Now that's a good deal.
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Back in the day, 1992, this subwoofer would have run $900.00. When inflation is taken into consideration, you're getting a $1,500.00 subwoofer for three hundred bucks and it's brand new. Now that's a good deal.
Only a "good" deal? Last time a checked 80% off was a great deal... wink.gif
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Back in the day, having purchased two of it's older siblings, a pair of SW-12 II's, I post from personal experience. So yes, agreeing with you, it's "a great deal." biggrin.gif
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That makes the 46" LCD TV in my family room - the one I paid ~$800 for a couple of years ago - an incredibly amazing deal, given that the LCD TVs I saw in retail stores about 14 years ago were selling for around $20K! eek.gifbiggrin.gif

Anyway, congrats on the new sub. It should seriously rock your music / HT / gaming space! cool.gif
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Back in the day, 1992, this subwoofer would have run $900.00. When inflation is taken into consideration, you're getting a $1,500.00 subwoofer for three hundred bucks and it's brand new. Now that's a good deal.

Ha. Such a strange way to quantify value.

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Our bad. Doubling on subs = doubling power = +3dB

assuming that every thing remains equal and speakers stay linear under highe power'

doubling power (watts) yields a 3 dB increase.

Mostly you'll find folks define 3 dB as "about one notch" louder - -

On the other hand, if the exact same power is delivered into two identical speakers instead of just one, you get a 3 dB increase.

So adding a second sub (depending on how they innteract in the room and their relative placement) theoretically adds 6 dB (double the available power, double the available drivers).

Sometimes I see folks saying that some people hear a 6 dB increase as twice as loud. But mostly you see 10 dB is twice as loud (leaving equal loudness curves aside).

10 dB increase requires 10 times the power and a speaker that can handle that extra power and stay linear (ie not compress)
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I have an SVS PCI 25-31, Epik Legend and a Premiere Acoustic PA-150. The PA 150 is a lot of sub for the money. If I had to keep only one of the three, the PA-150 may be the winner. It has the most output of the three and sounds nice with music. No one talks much about this sub since it is not as popular as some of the major brands, but it is certainly just as good in build quality and performance in the under $500 dollar price range. At $400 dollars, I don't know of anything better.

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>On the other hand, if the exact same power is delivered into two identical speakers instead of just one, you get a 3 dB increase.

Umm, each speaker is getting half the power which is -3dB right? Unless you assume the conclusion (+6dB by adding and powering a second speaker) how do you get +3dB for the two speakers given half the power each? Double the drivers in double the cab size could increase efficiency but we're talking about two identical separate speakers here, there should be no efficiency gain from a single speaker. Unless you assume power compressiin, but there's no fixed relationship between that and doubling the power on different speaker systems.
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